to think i'd rather be anywhere tonight than Madrid?

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Yes, even in a pissing wet west of Scotland.

The poor madrilenos who are having to put up with their beautiful central square being taken over by a crowd of chanting yobs. I'm sure individually, most football fans are decent blokes. But put a group of them together and they start chanting, whooping, "singing", clapping, pointing and jeering.

It's just AWFUL.

“I always feel sorry for people who don’t get it”
To be absolutely honest, I feel a bit sorry for people who do. Especially when it makes them unable to grasp that different people like different stuff, and that’s ok. Nothing to do with snobbery, social insecurities can safely be put to one side.

I'm sooooo excited ...I haven't had a drink yet lmao .....the atmosphere is immense xxxx I'm spurs partner liverpool xx

I always feel a bit sorry for people that dont 'get' it

Please don't feel sorry for me. I have grown up hobbies that don't involve drunkeness, violence and smashing things up.

Why does it always seem to be that football has to be adored by everyone and anyone who doesn't is a boring snob?

I think you’re confusing the issue.

I have absolutely no problem if someone likes or doesn’t like football.

There has been a rise in posts suggesting football fans are “yobs” etc etc etc. It isn’t objecting to football because you don’t like it. It’s the implication of superiority from people who feel they have to denigrate football and people who enjoy it rather than just saying “it’s not for me”.

But the direct experience of pp here is that football fans en masse are unpleasant. Why should that be ignored? Based on my previous experience I avoid any area where they are, because I know it will be deeply horrible to be there.
Deny it all you want, that’s the reality.

I’m in Madrid and am in a bar seated next to Prince William who is necking Jagerbombs and Flaming Sambucas in equal measures. He’s about to take his top off noooooooo don’t do it Willaz!!! Oh oh, he’s standing on the table shouting “Up yer Arsenal”

Comedy fail!

I find the 'You'll Never Walk Alone' mantra from Pool fans hilarious and hypocritical, especially after last years final.

The goalkeeper had a nightmare game, but instead of the fans banding together to lift his spirits, they immediately derived him and called for him to be seen sold. He had a decent season up until then.

YNWA my arse.

That's why I hope Spurs win. As well as having lots of English talent and spent nothing on transfers this season.

let's be honest some so called football fans are scummy and only in it for a punch up and to cause aggro. i hope the spanish police deal with them harshly and let real fans enjoy themselves.

It's just AWFUL

It’s ONE day. And probably as it was when the Champions league final was in a Glasgow, pretty easy to avoid. Do you usually overreact this much over nothing?

SimulationTheorist but most football fans don't behave like that.

LakieLady its not the 80's anymore, though why on earth you'd buy a house next to a football ground unless you were a huge fan I don't know?

Deny it all you want, that’s the reality

No. It’s YOUR reality.

I’ve been visiting various sporting events since I was a child. There has been one occasion where I felt uncomfortable as a football fan.

England RU though was utterly horrific when I saw them at Twickenham. England vs Australia at Trent Bridge wasn’t pleasant either.

See? Personal experiences cannot be extrapolated out as fact.

The goalkeeper had a nightmare game, but instead of the fans banding together to lift his spirits, they immediately derived him and called for him to be seen sold. He had a decent season up until then

He REALLY fucked up and made very basic goalkeeping errors though. And as for he had a decent season up til then yeah that totally justifies fuck ups of that magnitude in one of the most prestigious games in football.

I’m not a Liverpool fan btw

but most football fans don't behave like that

Im not sure about most. Some don't, no, but id say more do than don't.

I just think it's a horrific drain on the NHS. My BFF is an A&E nurse and she dreads big game days because she knows how hectic it will be due to drink and football related injuries, mainly from fighting.

I’m afraid they can. The experiences I and family members have had actually happened, they are not invented. And other pp have said similar.
There is a reason football fans attract negative attention in the way others don’t, I’m afraid. Being around them en masse is horrible. No one would complain if their enjoyment didn’t impinge on them but it does, excessively. As of course is the point. They set out to disrupt - it’s part of the fun. So they are disliked.

Lots of things are a drain on the NHS. I don't know why you'd single out football matches.

That’s rubbish go to any high street and there are fights every weekend night. Also, more of a drain on the NHS is people hurting themselves playing football- go into any A&E Saturday or Sunday morning and it’s full of muddy football boots. Exercise is good though isn’t it

TheAngryLlama

There is no such thing as “they”. You do appreciate that, right?

There isn’t one type of football fan.

It’s foolish to suggest football fans all behave in the same way.

Also have to laugh at the suggestions of fans 'banding together' to 'lift the spirits' of the the Liverpool goalkeeper!

You really don't know anything about the game do you?

He REALLY fucked up and made very basic goalkeeping errors though. And as for he had a decent season up til then yeah that totally justifies fuck ups of that magnitude in one of the most prestigious games in football

Ok. Well change the song to 'You'll never walk alone as long as you don't make basic errors'. Don't pretend to support your players through the good and the bad, and then abandon them when they need you the most.

I also recall Mane making basic errors in that game which would've led to Pool scoring and basic errors from the defenders who luckily had the safety net of the keeper to dig them out of a hole. Players are human and make mistakes but outfield players get left off the hook more from fans.

Enough of them behave in that way to make them en masse unpleasant to be around, as others have said. If you want to be associated with that, enjoy. Just accept that others don’t, for perfectly valid reasons.

Enough of them behave in that way to make them en masse unpleasant to be around, as others have said. If you want to be associated with that, enjoy. Just accept that others don’t, for perfectly valid reasons

I prefer not to judge people as a homogenous mass. I find it largely lacking in intelligence.

You really don't know anything about the game do you?

Guaranteed I know more than you. I recall John Terry missing a pen against utd in the CL final a decade ago which would've handed them the title. That was a monumental fuck up. Yet the players supported him and continued to support him when they lost, as did the fans.

That's how you show solidarity as a team. I don't particularly like Chelsea but Pool fans were pretty classless in their treatment of Karius last year.

As I said YNWA my arse.

Don’t be silly. Everyone goes through life registering experiences as pleasant or unpleasant. Being around excited football fans is unpleasant. That may not bother you - although perhaps it should - but other people are perfectly entitled to say they dislike it and would prefer not to be near it.

I agree. I think we’re a fucking disgrace, wherever we go. Have travelled a lot throughout Europe. Seeing “Brits” abroad makes me wonder why we have no control button in terms of alcohol/aggression/foul language. I bet they can’t wait til we “leave”.

Yanbu and I love Madrid ordinarily.

Not football though or stampeding masses. So I'd plan my visit around it.

Why are people getting their knickers in a twist?