To not feel happy with gender neutral toilets at work?

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My company has recently relabelled all toilets on my floor as 'gender neutral'. As well as being rather confused as to what the need is for them (there are no trans people at my work as far as I'm aware) I don't like them, and I would prefer to keep the ladies loo as is. The nearest women's toilets is 3 floors up now!

I don't really feel comfortable going to the loo knowing that there are men in there but I don't really know how to bring this up and with who. I work for a large media company, fairly young/progressive and I don't want to cause trouble for myself.

There was also absolutely no consultation regarding the change. If anyone has been in a similar situation and managed to come to a different solution? Or AIBU and should drop it?

*separate ones not desperate ones

• battle to be won

Apologies!

From that date he came into work dressed as a woman but he also insists on using the ladies' toilets. He absolutely rejected using the men's toilets or a special toilet just for him.

We had this. There were actually loos right by where he sat which were completely private, a lockable door off the corridor into a room with a basin and dryer, then another door to the loo. Several of them. Not the accessible loos. He used to cross the whole building and go upstairs to the busiest women's loos which had a row of cubicles with gaps above and below, tampax machine etc. Twat. He left thank goodness.

Ffs, I wish people would stop harping on about individual rooms with basins and bins and floor to ceiling walls and doors. They aren’t the issue, that has been reiterated about 100 times, and it’s just sweeping the actual issue under the carpet. The vast majority of women do not want to share toilet and washing facilities with men. It seems a pretty significant proportion of men do not want to share toilet and washing facilities with women. We were all brought up with single sex facilities being the norm outside of private homes. Nearly everyone feels safer and more comfortable with that. The demands of a tiny minority shouldn’t override this.

But you would still be sharing with women if they were GN so why would that make you more comfortable? confused
Just someone trying to be contrary

Ffs, I wish people would stop harping on about individual rooms with basins and bins and floor to ceiling walls and doors. They aren’t the issue, that has been reiterated about 100 times, and it’s just sweeping the actual issue under the carpet. The vast majority of women do not want to share toilet and washing facilities with men. It seems a pretty significant proportion of men do not want to share toilet and washing facilities with women. We were all brought up with single sex facilities being the norm outside of private homes. Nearly everyone feels safer and more comfortable with that. The demands of a tiny minority shouldn’t override this.

FFS I wish people would stop harping on about sharing washing and toilet facilities they're in individual rooms in a bigger room.

Next it will be men and women shouldn't share a bloody office!

We were all brought up with single sex facilities bit then my parents were brought up with men working and women not, no men in delivery suites, men going down the pub women at home etc etc

Things change!

Things change

why? earlier you said you couldnt say it was a good idea- that noone thought it was - and lots of people say its a bad idea. why then are you now so determined to change womens toilets into miixed sex?

Always find it odd when companies change their loos to gender neutral and get lots of praise for being inclusive etc. Let’s be honest, ‘gender neutral bathroom’ is just a spruced up term to describe ‘unisex bathrooms’ - they aren’t really doing anything special

I honestly wouldn’t be annoyed with unisex bathrooms at work; we have unisex on the ground floor and separate sex on all other floors. I have seen absolutely vile messes left in the ladies (you wouldn’t expect it from a bunch of middle class for professionals!) and have also seen the unisex bathroom look/smell clean and vice versa. The unisex bathrooms are individual cubicles with sinks & mottos included though.

Alot of men also WAIT to get to work to have a sh*t where as most women wont go unless they really need to. The mens toilets at work are always blocked and they stink as you walk past them. Thats the issue i would have with GN toilets

Alot of men also WAIT to get to work to have a sht where as most women wont go unless they really need to.*

What the fuck are you on about?

Lol grey
My DH used to do that all the time

This really wouldnt bother me at all. I have a unisex toilet in work and have never once felt uncomfortable. However, i can understand that you can't help how you feel. You can still have chats, put your makeup on and clean up spills. Times change and we all just have to roll with them.

He reckoned it saved toilet roll and he was being paid to shit.

Go go DH I say

Unisex toilets are crap. I hate the little sinks that spray water everywhere....

Ooooo

Is it piss or is it water??

I dunno, I'll just mop it up.

I prefer the continent, where it's single sex toilets and shared sinks.

Things change

Do you know what changes when bathroom/changing facilities become mixed sex as opposed to single sex?

An increase in sex attacks.

Is that the kind of change you would like to see?

There are some posters who are unwilling to understand that this is about boundaries- and that the fact they don’t mind sharing toilets with the men doesnt negate other women’s rights to say ‘no, I don’t want to share with men’.

Something else to ponder: if it’s not a problem for women to share with men then why is it a problem for trans women to share with men?

*Do you know what changes when bathroom/changing facilities become mixed sex as opposed to single sex?

An increase in sex attacks.
*

Could you link the research to this please?

such a weird thread: hardly anyone thinks its a good idea (except for the posters who find 'groups of women beyond annoying') , many people feel its a bad idea and yet there is this insistence that 'times change' and women must be forced to give up their single sex spaces.

enlightening thats for sure.

Alot of men also WAIT to get to work to have a sht where as most women wont go unless they really need to!

This is my first !!

kat

My dh used to have to allocate time to clients so they could be billed

So in effect they would pay him for a poo

@Helmetbymidnight as been said soooooooooo fucking many times!! It's not about good or bad idea it's about not being a fucking major issue!

such a weird thread

Yep

Times change and we all just have to roll with them.

No, we don’t. This isn’t inevitable, it’s not beyond our control. It’s a tiny minority attempting to force change upon a majority who don’t want it.

boobirdblue

Research? No this isn’t an academic paper or study, it’s reported facts. Google ‘mixed facilities sex attacks’ and start reading, you may well find it enlightening. Target stores is a good start.

as been said soooooooooo fucking many times!! It's not about good or bad idea it's about not being a fucking major issue!

@Helmetbymidnight this^ you seem to be missing the point of what some of us are saying- even though its been said quite a few times

as been said soooooooooo fucking many times!! It's not about good or bad idea it's about not being a fucking major issue

but it is to many women - arent you listening? - and oddly enough it seems to be a fucking major issue to you.

Research? No this isn’t an academic paper or study, it’s reported facts.

Uhm...you do realise that reported facts is research? Apologies but you really should link to these "not research but facts" you speak of if you are going to reference them.