To be deeply disappointed in John Cleese

[drspouse]

I have no idea if this is typical but he just tweeted that London isn't an English city any more
What is it then pray tell? What's not English about it??

Jizya?

Who wrote that?

My post above could apply to any minority group who wants separatism - in fact more than that, wants dominion.

I'm a Londoner, brought up in Earl's Court, a very cosmopolitan area of London. It was a wonderful place to live, and of course a smattering of peoples from different parts of the world is a good thing. It adds interest and colour, it brings in new ways of looking at things, new foods, colours, etc.

But as Cleese and others have said, if the parent culture is reduced to 50 percent, and then even lower than that, London can no longer be called English. More than that, it can no longer be called British because it has been subsumed. I think that's what Cleese meant, and I agree with him. In fact, overseas friends who visit say the same.

@BrittW

I think they all her a kafirah. She’s ‘dirty’. I won’t go into details - but it breaks my heart every day to know that she’s there. There have been many times I haven’t been able to face taking her in. She and I have cried rivers of tears. The most agonising thing is that despite what she’s facing on a daily basis, the school don’t want to know, because I’m the one who is apparently intolerant of the children’s religious beliefs!

And others raise an eyebrow and tell me that no, it can’t be true... and if it is, they must be a particularly unpleasant sect. It’s the faux-naivety that’s irritating, the way in which these problems are glossed over, the unwillingness to accept that not every culture and religion coexist harmoniously. There are real problems here and they hurt people immensely.

But as long as no laws are being broken, it’s fine I suppose.

On my street in North West London there are - of the people that I know or know of:

West Indians, Indians, Scottish people, English people, Brazilians, Indonesians, African Americans, Italians, Austrians, Poles, French people, Australians, Chinese people, Pakistanis, Greek Cypriots.

Some of us have lived on the street for many years, and we feel and are human.

It’s a particularly cool street. Calm and peaceful as well.

It's all to do with who the majority is

It appears to me that when Islam is in the minority, they talk a lot about minority rights, but when they’re in the majority all those rights for minorities go out of the window.

Isabella that is truly shite about your DD

No other schools at all she could go to?

@IsabellaLinton

I've been sitting here thinking and imagining what Mon to Fri must be like for your daughter.

Firstly, there are a number of faux-naives on this thread as well who pretend that it is not so, it cant be, they've never heard of such a thing, they've checked their Koran, etc etc. As I tried to explain to others here, a non-muslim is seen as Kuffar (dirty).

This is what I suggest you do, in a formal way on paper, not email. You write to the Head Teacher, and do a b.c. to the Board of Governors and the Chief Superintendent of your local police. THIS IS A HATE CRIME. The school will not help you, because they have been instructed not to rock the boat. In the meantime, report this as a hate crime to the police.

Remember - If it were the other way around, a bunch of non-muslims were stopping one muslim kid sharing their table, her parents would be beating down the door at the Dept of Education.

What does the school say when you point out that you dd is ostracized?

I really don’t think the sitting separated thing is common at all.
I went to several different schools and colleges throughout the UK and I’ve never come across Muslims shunning others when eating.

As a Christian I have actually always found it easy to form friendships with Muslims of various ethnicities (Somali, Pakistani, Arab, Chinese etc).

Also, I’ve not noticed any separatism at my DC school. Children of all backgrounds attend parties (not JHV though, but that’s standard), parents talk, play dates happen.

It was Maajid Nawaz who coined the phrase Regressive Left. It describes a section of left-wing politics which paradoxically holds reactionary views by their tolerance of illiberal principles and ideologies, particularly tolerance of Islamism, FOR THE SAKE OF multiculturalism and cultural relativism

@Britt I agree with you entirely, but there must be an awful lot of cognitive dissonance going on. It all seems so illogical. So many of the minority groups they champion have conflicting interests.

I don’t know if you saw the Owen Jones interview on Sky after the Orlando nightclub shooting happened, but I think he might have had that realisation - that while homosexuals and strict Muslims might be minorities, they don’t make comfortable allies.

@aPengTing

Are you suggesting that poster's daughter is imagining it? If allowed to, muslim people will always prefer to sit on tables where there are no non-muslims. Unless they are admonished about it. If school forced the muslim pupils to allow her to sit on one of the tables, she would still remain unpopular and unwanted. If you are not Caucasian, that is the only time you will be accepted.

@RiversDisguise

Thank you! - I tried juggling everything possible in order to home school, but I couldn’t manage it. We’re emigrating to Canada in August. A fresh start

Are you suggesting that poster's daughter is imagining it?

Not at all, but I don’t believe it’s a common issue at all.

If allowed to, muslim people will always prefer to sit on tables where there are no non-muslims. Unless they are admonished about it

^Thats just bullshit and you know it.

If you are not Caucasian, that is the only time you will be accepted

Mixing up Muslim and non white there.

and it occurred to me it may be because she is not Caucasian. That is the only non-muslim they are comfortable with

I am white. You are a racist.

@BrittW

Thank you for your advice - I really do appreciate it. Sorry for derailing the thread. Didn’t mean to make it all about me.

aPeng says I’ve not noticed any separatism at my DC school. Children of all backgrounds attend parties (not JHV though, but that’s standard), parents talk, play dates happen.

So what? Are you saying that Isabella's experience does not exist? You remind me of those women who say about someone who has been accused of rape: Well, he never bothered me, there was never any untoward behaviour from him, nice chap.

The meaning being, he never tried it on with me, so I don't believe that he raped HER. That's abysmal thinking.

So what? Are you saying that Isabella's experience does not exist?

Read my reply to the first time you asked this.

And just LOL to the rest of your nonsense.

@aPengTing

I don’t know if it’s a common issue - I hope to goodness it isn’t - but it is an issue nonetheless.

Calling people racist and trying to silence debate isn’t really helpful is it? Surely it’s better to talk about issues as objectively as we can? With more diversity we hear more voices and more opinions, not less!

Calling people racist and trying to silence debate isn’t really helpful is it?

If the poster doesn’t wish to be called a racist then perhaps they shouldn’t post racist shit.

Mmmhmm.. you know it so well that you confuse Muslim with non white

“Firstly, there are a number of faux-naives on this thread as well who pretend that it is not so, it cant be, they've never heard of such a thing, they've checked their Koran, etc etc. As I tried to explain to others here, a non-muslim is seen as Kuffar (dirty).“

I’m not being faux naive. I think what this poor child is going through is awful. That does not mean I also accept that it is usual behaviour by Muslims. It is certainly not my experience, or the experience of my nieces, who go to/went to a majority
Muslim school in Bradford. Many of the Muslim girls did not go to non Muslim houses to play, but there was never an issue with playtimes or lunchtimes in school. So Isabelle’s experience is not mine. That does not mean I doubt hers, or think any less that she should be camping outside the Head’s office until it is asdressed.

I'm not white, and grew up in London. My primary school experience (90s) was hugely multicultural with maybe 1/3 of my class being white (not necessarily English tho). I enjoyed it and liked that we had multi-faith assemblies etc.
Today I saw a Year One class with not a single white kid in it - it definitely made me wonder for a moment how it must feel to be white English and be in the minority. I imagine it would be pretty strange.