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AIBU?

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Jellybeansincognito · 27/05/2019 08:56

I’ll try keep this short.

Myself, brother and dad moved away from our hometown 15 years ago. We all lived together until 10 years ago where brother left for hometown and I left to be where I am now (40 minutes away from my dad, 2hr 20 away from hometown).

I’ll add at this point that during the initial stages of us all living far apart I used to get the train to see my brother and his now wife but felt like I was overstaying my welcome after a few nights, when they then had their DC it just kinda became not an option for me to get the train down and stay. However, upon issues with my husband myself and my then 18 month old daughter did go and stay for 2 nights upon me having some issues with her father (my brother collected us from home and drove us there). Everything was great! I was pregnant with my second child at this point.

I want to add also that neither of my children have been great travelers and both have created so much in the car they’ve eventually made themselves sick, my husband also didn’t have weekends off until 3 months ago when he changed jobs.

2 years ago my brother got married, my children were 2 and 6 months and the journey there and back was just awful, hysterical crying all the way on the journey home from my 6 month old, causing my 2 year old to feel like as horrified and we had 2 lots of sick to clean up from them on the way home (we pushed it and didn’t stop as we just thought it would prolong the agony).

Anyway, I haven’t seen brother since then.

This weekend they are visiting somewhere with their child and coming to see my dad and my family is only a 30 minute additional drive on top of a 4 hour one, but would split their journey up and of course, they’d see everyone.

When my dad asked my brother he didn’t reply, so I asked and the answers were really frosty. I knew deep down that he didn’t want to see us and was expecting a mundane excuse as to why and this happened yesterday. I was told they didn’t want to come as their 7yo was tired after 2 days of (fun activity).

I felt really upset by this, and told him so. I asked him not to use child tiredness as an excuse not to spend an additional 30-40 minutes in the car and split his journey up.

He spat back that the reason he doesn’t want to make the effort is because nobody makes it for him.

They both drive, I don’t. They have a 7 year old, I have a 2 and 4 year old who have never travelled well until recently where we have been pushing journey times. As soon as my husbands job changed the first thing I did was express to my brother that we will visit for a day out soon, I send cards for birthdays yet never receive them here, I send presents (at Xmas I bought and wrapped them for his DC, my children received amazon parcels) whenever we talk it’s always me opening the conversation.
He’s snapped that I only see him when in crisis (I’ve been a few times when having issues with my partner).

We weren’t included in his wedding, we felt like an afterthought. I’ve leant him money before he got with his partner and never expected it or fussed about it being given back. I’ve never treated him differently because we’ve not seen each other, we’re both guilty of needing to make more effort and I’ve never held him to account for having more tools to do this (car and driving ability).

I’m really hurt, it has been clear that his partner doesn’t like us, and that’s fine. We’re civil enough, she doesn’t have to like us. But this? I dunno. It just doesn’t seem like my brother at all.

Am I being unreasonable? Or is he?

Thanks for reading so far if you have....

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ILoveMaxiBondi · 27/05/2019 09:41

You don’t need public transport. They’re visiting at the weekend when your husband is free to drive.

Jellybeansincognito · 27/05/2019 09:42

@PinkCrayon he can drive? So can she? Him seeing his family on his own doesn’t affect her? I’m sure she’s allowed to see her family on her own?

She doesn’t like us, it’s very clear. My brother has never been like this towards me. He’s as chilled out as I am, usually.

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ILoveMaxiBondi · 27/05/2019 09:43

Ok to make this clear
We will be driving 40 minutes to my dads to see them, they would not be coming to our house.

Oh so you actually are already planning to travel in the car for 40 minutes but won’t do an extra 30 minutes to go to them? YABU! You’re being really petty.

Ellisandra · 27/05/2019 09:43

Why are you surprised that I am not impressed by your cat comment?

Was your cat so ill that you couldn’t leave it for the TWO YEARS since your brother’s wedding???

The illness and death of a cat is devastating - and could interrupt a specific planned visit. But you had no such planned visit.

You can’t use your cat dying as the reason why you haven’t seen him for 2 years.

He’s taking a 7yo to Legoland, and to visit a grandparent. On top of a 4 hour drive. Who would want to add 40 minutes and a visit to an aunt the kid barely knows on top of all that?! Of course the kid will be too tired. Even if I wanted to see you, I’d probably decide the Legoland trip wasn’t the right time!

You complain at not being part of the wedding... what part did you expect to have, when you were looking after a toddler and baby? That, and the Amazon parcel issue... you sound like you’re looking for reasons to take offence. Alongside your non excuses about the car and your husband being at work (for 2 years, he couldn’t take a single day of weekend annual leave?) I’d think you were just full of excuses if I were him. You made it there on your own when you fell out with tour husband. I see your brother’s point.

Jellybeansincognito · 27/05/2019 09:44

@ILoveMaxiBondi that’s the issue, we were happy to travel to my dads but he doesn’t want to make the effort for people that don’t make any effort for him

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ILoveMaxiBondi · 27/05/2019 09:46

but he doesn’t want to make the effort for people that don’t make any effort for him

That’s a perfectly reasonable rule to live your life by. Why on earth should he make the effort when you won’t?

Jellybeansincognito · 27/05/2019 09:47

@Ellisandra he is not visiting my dad, this is why I’m upset!

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Jellybeansincognito · 27/05/2019 09:47

@ILoveMaxiBondi we would be seeing him today and driving my to my dads but he doesn’t want to drive the extra 30-40 minutes to see us or my dad today.

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Ellisandra · 27/05/2019 09:48

You don’t sound chilled out.
Chilled out people don’t complain about Amazon parcels. Loads of people do this. All my siblings do - we all have Prime, this way we don’t have to leave the house, create more packing waste with wrapping paper, or pay for postage. We’re very chilled by that convenience!

Gazelda · 27/05/2019 09:49

You haven't made any effort to see him for 2 years. You have a range of valid reasons for this, but I think that your DB believes that if you really wanted to see him you would have made the effort. and if you'd needed him to rescue you or to put you up for a bit, you'd have found the means. I think he feels used.

And you obviously dislike his wife. Maybe he's picked up on that?

BrightBurn · 27/05/2019 09:49

So brother has no plans to stop and visit anyone? He's on his way home from legend and you're demanding he stops at his dad's (a 40 minute detour) so that you can all see him?

Ellisandra · 27/05/2019 09:49

But why do you expect him to go out of his way to go to your dad’s just to see you - when his kid is tired from Legoland - when you haven’t haven’t to meet him for 2 years?

Jellybeansincognito · 27/05/2019 09:50

I have made effort, I talk to him first, always! If I didn’t message him I’d never hear from him.
I send cards, I ask that they’re ok.
I like their Facebook content and take an interest in it.

I haven’t treated them any differently because of not coming to see us, and as soon as our circumstances changed the first thing I did was say I want to arrange to see them.

So when he can spend an extra 30 minutes in the car today and split up a 4 hour journey in the process, to see us. I am saddened that the reason he doesn’t want to is because he doesn’t want to make the effort when no one else’s does.

I know I’m not faultless, but neither is he and I don’t understand why I have to suffer because of something that feels out of my control.

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Jellybeansincognito · 27/05/2019 09:52

@Ellisandra I haven’t demanded. My dad invited him and got ignored, my dad told me so I asked if he was coming but it straight away felt like a no.
Yes his child is tired, that’s not the reason he isn’t coming.

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ZippyBungleandGeorge · 27/05/2019 09:54

It won't split a journey though will it, it's a 40 minute detour, then he had to visit for at least s couple of hours, so he'll end up getting home at least three or four hours later.
Again it's not his fault you don't drive and your 'd'h wouldn't use one of his leave days in the last two years to drive to see your brother, who took you in when you needed him.

PinkCrayon · 27/05/2019 09:54

"She doesn’t like us, it’s very clear. My brother has never been like this towards me. He’s as chilled out as I am, usually."

Your brother is like this towards you because of YOU amd YOUR behaviour not because of her!
Stop using her as a scapegoat.
Your brother has clearly told you why he wont make the effort. His excuse is perfectly valid.
You dont sound like you want to repair anything, you sound like you want to point score.

Jellybeansincognito · 27/05/2019 09:55

@Ellisandra I was trying to explain that he thinks I make no effort, and that’s not true. I make effort in ways I can.

we always seem like an afterthought and I’ve let that go and never use that against him. I just wanted to see him today, and he could’ve easily seen us without much uplift but he doesn’t want to see us because he thinks they make all the effort when that just isn’t true.

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ILoveMaxiBondi · 27/05/2019 09:57

It doesn’t really matter what the reason he gives is. He doesn’t want to come. He’s clearly set a boundary and you need to accept that if you want to see him you’ll have to travel to him. He isn’t interested in going out of his way to see you. Personally I wouldn’t be forcing a relationship with someone who has clearly outgrown it.

Jellybeansincognito · 27/05/2019 09:57

@PinkCrayon I do want to repair things, it’s why I keep in contact with him and why I so desperately hoped we’d see each other this weekend.

Like I said, if I didn’t talk to him I wouldn’t hear off him. He never messages to see if I’m ok.

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ILoveMaxiBondi · 27/05/2019 09:58

People who want to be in your life will be in it.

Ellisandra · 27/05/2019 09:59

You keep saying it will split the journey to see you at your dad’s - like that’s a good thing.

I hate splitting journeys. I’m a “let’s just do this in a one-er” type person. When I drive 4 hours, I just want to get there. My husband likes to stop for a coffee and to stretch his legs. It’s not going to lead to divorce, but we joke about that.

You have to understand that you’re not necessarily offering a good thing.

To me, on top of Legoland, a short visit to you would be a PITA - even if there were no issues between us!

Why can’t you see, that to him - this is yet again evidence that you’re expecting him to put himself out to see you?

Jellybeansincognito · 27/05/2019 10:02

Because we would still go visit for the day, it just means we saw everyone today.

It was my dad that invited him. He could have just said no, but kept us hanging all weekend until yesterday.

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Didntwanttochangemyname · 27/05/2019 10:08

It does sound a little like he's been there for you and helped you when you needed him but gets very little in return. You've chosen not to drive, so if you want to see him you have to make half the effort too. You can expect people to run around after you just because they drive and you don't.

Jellybeansincognito · 27/05/2019 10:12

@Didntwanttochangemyname I don’t expect that at all, it’s why I don’t hold it against him.

I didn’t think he held it against us either until yesterday.

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Wonderwoman98 · 27/05/2019 10:18

Have your brother and your dad seen each other in the last two years Jellybean? What is their relationship like?