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To be delighted That Leave Have Lost

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donotcovertheradiator · 27/05/2019 00:18

I know it looks as if Brexit have won but in every single case, if you add up all the votes secured by the other parties then together they have more votes than Brexit. That means more people want to remain in Europe than Leave.

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EnthusiasmIsDisturbed · 27/05/2019 08:45

Well it’s was known the Brexit Party would do well but even better than expected

Now the Tories have to work at gaining those votes a win for Boris

And Farage is a political master manipulator (as is Alister Campbell) to dismiss him as an idiot is I agree foolish he is the reason we had a referendum. He uses populist policies which Labour have also done recently. The Brexit Party only started or publicly entered politics what two months ago their success has to change policies with the two main parties

Fatasfooook · 27/05/2019 08:46

Farage was the only person standing for what the majority of Britons want. Simple as that

No, the remain vote was split. He was the only leave party.

AlaskanOilBaron · 27/05/2019 08:46

Layla Moran, Lib Dem, is saying it right now...that the Remain parties have a larger vote share and that it should be put to the people. Is she thick too?

I think Layla Moran is just doing what politicians do. It's normal to say what you want to be true when you have a moment to say it, the news cycle might just pick it up.

PostNotInHaste · 27/05/2019 08:48

Friend’s DD is 20, strong Remainer but voted conservatives in these elections. I was surprised but there you go.

ethelfleda · 27/05/2019 08:48

If anything I think it still sounds shows that the nation is completely divided. It’s a sad state of affairs. The fact that Farage has so much support, with his misogynistic racist and homophobic views, scares the living hell out of me.

Justanotherlurker · 27/05/2019 08:48

Can people just remember that turnout was APPALLING LOW.

The problem is that for 2 years the narrative has been that those that didn't vote was happy with the status quo, so they are either with the current situation of leaving the eu or it ruins the previous narrative.

ChardonnaysPrettySister · 27/05/2019 08:49

My parents are in their 70s and voted remain, but are now so sick of the remainers that they would vote leave if there was another referendum. A number of their friends are in the same position.

Cutting you nose in spite of your face comes to mind.

ChocChocButtons · 27/05/2019 08:49

We’re going to leave the EU it doesn’t matter who is in charge. And I can’t wait!!

Fatasfooook · 27/05/2019 08:50

Really though, pre referendum, was being a member of the EU so bad that it has been worth all this unbelievable bullshit?

AlaskanOilBaron · 27/05/2019 08:51

Friend’s DD is 20, strong Remainer but voted conservatives in these elections. I was surprised but there you go.

Why is this surprising? At least 75% of Tory MPs must be Remainers, even more if you were to include Remainers masquerading as Brexiteers

glastogal · 27/05/2019 08:51

I think spinning this result as a proxy for a second referendum is unavoidable, but also a bit naïve. Labour and Tory votes make up a significant portion of the vote share with no easy way of discerning which way those voters would go in a referendum. The most that I would say is clear is that it seems a majority are pissed off with the leading political parties - probably due to the brexit fiasco - but you can't really say it's a clear message either leave or to remain!

With regards to the prospect of a people's vote (I would be so surprised if this actually happened btw) I get a bit frustrated with the argument that "we already voted, this is democracy, we don't need another vote" as part of our democracy is that we can and DO change our minds about what we want. The outcome of every general election is different based on the mood of the nation at the time. We go to the polls and update the government on our wants fairly frequently. We also aren't unused to manifesto pledges not being followed through on. Why is democracy so cut and dry and forever final when it comes to Brexit? This is a bigger issue than who is PM for a brief stint. I don't think voting again is ludicrous or undemocratic if there are signs that there may have been a shift in public opinion.

RandomlyChosenName · 27/05/2019 08:52

None of the Remain parties called for a straight revoke. They all called for Ref2.

How would a second referendum work? Given that the country is pretty much 50/50 still?

Another leave vs remain? And leave wins by a small margin, we’re no further forward. And remain wins by a small margin, we’ll have calls for best of 3 and why is ref2 more important than ref1. The only way a second referendum works is if either side got a large majority and this doesn’t look likely from the results we just had.

Or remain vs deal vs no deal? Splitting the leave vote would be grossly unfair. And what if deal + no deal was the majority? Or if Remain wins by a small margin as per above.

I cannot see how a second referendum would work or solve anything.

If we have a general election, we will end up with a very messed up parliament. Yes, it won’t be like these results but could very well end up with extremist parties in a coalition due to a hung parliament.

SusieOwl4 · 27/05/2019 08:53

This will lead to a People's Vote Thank goodness, we won't be silenced any more.

This comment from OP

What worries me most about this is there will still be millions that would not vote . Either because they are sick to death of the whole mess ,because they still do not understand the full implications of Brexit, or that they don’t trust the politicians to deliver anyway. This has cost the country dearly already and having such an ineffective opposition leader is a contributing factor. To take the no deal off the table was ridiculous. It made us so weak .

MaMaMaMySharona · 27/05/2019 08:54

Why would you vote Green if you want to leave the EU? They are an openly remain group 😂

I do still see this as a split vote - littlewhitedove your calculations are mostly correct although you can’t put Tories as leavers as they are a split party, so that would put Leave at 34.9% with 23.2% unknown (Tory and Labour).

The truth is the turnout for this election was very low. Thousands of people in each area spoiled their vote as well which says a lot.

We can’t take a huge amount from this vote other than there are a sickening amount of people across the UK who have very short memory spans and voted for the absolute moron who is Farage. I cannot get my head around why anyone would do that, other than he heads up the only real party who are for Brexit. And that also says a lot 🙄

MarshaBradyo · 27/05/2019 08:55

Brexit Party did win it’s pointless spinning it another way

What a mess

LovelyJubblee · 27/05/2019 08:56

I voted Brexit party but wouldn't in a general election. Would go back to Usual. It was a protest vote to get them to hurry up with Brexit

Orangeballon · 27/05/2019 08:56

Lol Alistair Campbell Lol 😂 your having a laugh, don’t show your ignorance!

ethelfleda · 27/05/2019 08:56

What really really pisses me off though is that all of the arguments and debates are about a second referendum, should we have one, is it undemocratic etc etc
But nobody seems to be debating actual Brexit anymore! Still not one leaver has been able to tell me why they think it is a good idea that we leave? I’ve heard ‘I don’t think it’s fair the EU should make all our laws’ (which they don’t, anyway) and they couldn’t name one law the EU have imposed on us that they didn’t like?? What the actual fuck is that about?

oldmum22 · 27/05/2019 08:57

So, just catching up with my previous post.

If we leave The EU on or after 31st October,does it really matter how many MEPs we have as they will be redundant? With that in mind, come the GE (allegedly 2022) surely there will not be a necessity for the Brexit Party ,as that would be issue would have been dealt with ?

ethelfleda · 27/05/2019 08:57

Lovelyjubbly
I’m asking this with 100% respect for your right to an opinion...
Can you please explain to me why the UK leaving the EU is a good thing?

PostNotInHaste · 27/05/2019 08:58

Apparently leaving is a good idea as it won’t be as bad as WW2 is one of the current narratives.

oldmum22 · 27/05/2019 08:59

sorry should read …….as that issue would have been dealt with ?

bananasandwicheseveryday · 27/05/2019 09:00

As a nation, we use the First Past the Post system in our elections. So all the talk about how many voted for other parties is irrelevant. We rejected the chance to use in alternative system in 2011.

As for the OP wanting 10 year olds to be allowed a vote - given that many of the ten year olds I know (work in a school) consider being a contestant on Love Island a valid career choice, and are more likely to follow their chosen football team than to have any interest or understanding of how our country is run, I would rather not have my, or their future dependant upon their current choices.

RandomlyChosenName · 27/05/2019 09:00

Can people just remember that turnout was APPALLING LOW.
People couldn't be bothered to vote because they don't understand what the EU elections are.
This is not a vote for leave.
Obviously Brexiters are going to be more motivated to vote because they are more mobilised about not getting their way yet.

You could argue that those who want to Remain and are in favour of the EU would (or should) be more engaged in European Parliament elections and are those who understand them and those who don’t care about Europe and therefore want to leave can’t be bothered to vote for an MEP in an institution they don’t care about.

Leighhalfpennysthigh · 27/05/2019 09:02

Own view is this leaves us where we were, country split pretty much down the middle and completely polarised. No mood to compromise. Brexiteers should recognise that a situation where they drag half the country into the shitstorm of no deal against their will is unconscionable

Yes, this. I posted on another thread, that as it was a low turn out, and the Brexshits got 32% of the vote, if we then work how many actual people that represents in this country, it is less than 12%.

Brexit will be decided by Westminster. Not by MEPs of any party. This was just a protest vote by people who felt strongly either way and because of the (mistaken) view that it was a second referendum. It wasn't. There wasn't a leave/remain decision. Some tribal labour and Tory voters will vote for their parties whatever their stance on Brexit - but what is clear is that both major parties are in trouble and we need a general election and for labour to get off the fence.