Who was BU? Manager or Colleague - Time And Pay

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Hi all,

I’d welcome thoughts on an issue that happened in the office last week; as I can see both sides and wanted others thoughts:

We’ve just gotten a new manager. Before he joined, the unwritten policy was that as long as you didn’t take the P you could leave the occasional half hour early for appointments, childcare whatever as long as your work wasn’t behind and you would made it up at some point when it was needed.

The new manger however isn’t keen on this; last week a colleague asked if she could leave half an hour early for an appointment. The manger asked her to email him with a written request. She was then allowed to leave half an hour early but was docked half an hours pay. (We’re salaried)

Yesterday, we were in a staff meeting lead by this manager. It got to got to the end of our directed hours; and we were about two thirds through the agenda. My colleague stood up, said see you tomorrow and walked out. She said this morning it was in response to being docked pay — if that’s the way the manger wants to play it, she isn’t working a second beyond her contract hours.

What are people’s thoughts?
Thanks!

LOL, I'm with your colleague!

I admire the balls of your colleague to do that!

The manager needs to realise it’s a two way street and showing flexibility will pay off in the long run.

Totally agree with the colleague your manager can’t have it both ways.

She’s absolutely right. If employers aren’t willing to show a basic level of flexibility over things like kids and appointments without docking pay then employees shouldn’t be staying a minute later than they get paid for. Give and take has to work both ways and your new manager is a twat if he doesn’t realise that.

I have had a few bosses and it was the ones who were prepared to give a little that got the most out of their staff

Your colleague is amazing. I don't blame them for pulling that and admire them greatly for doing it. It's give and take the manager will soon realise.

I hope they communicate their reasoning to the manager though, possibly they won't join the dots, if they weren't put close enough together for him, and he wasn't given a very big crayon.

Not a great way to run a happy and flexible team, with good staff retention, or to build a good rapport with your existing team members.

Your colleague is amazing. I don't blame them for pulling that and admire them greatly for doing it. It's give and take the manager will soon realise.

I'm with your colleague. Good on them.

Ha! Good response, though I'm surprised the Manager didn't anticipate that docking of pay would result in a work to rule.

Agree with your colleague. If the company wants you to work to rules hours, then you work to rules hours. They cannot have it both ways

God knows why that posted so many times! Have reported and asked to be deleted.

Yep, good shout by your colleague. However I would’ve said something along the lines of ‘we’ll catch up in the morning on this’ to the manager on the way out, to show willing to discuss the matter, and how it can go both ways. Showing that happy to stay if needed, as long as flexibility comes from the mgr too.

I'm with your colleague. I often work more hours than I need to but m wok is very flexible when I need time for things, if they were like your manager I wouldn't work a second more than I needed to

100% with your colleague. I've done it before too.

Good on your colleague, Tbh I'd have joined her. After all it does affect all employees.

She's right, these things work both ways.

Will all of you who stayed beyond your hours at the meeting be paid overtime? I can guess that the answer is no. Your manager is an idiot.

I'm with your colleague-it works both ways so the manager has nothing to say there. Asking for a written request is pathetic. I had similar recently-paid an hourly rate and I left with one hour needing to be covered. I was docked half a day's pay and when I whinged, 'It's policy'. I do not feel at all bad that I basically took a day off yesterday because I simply could not be arsed to come into work. (Most unlike me and I felt bad, plus my dh made me feel bad!)

Yes, goes both ways. We had a relatively relaxed atmosphere until a whole lot of arsehole behaviour from senior management, now people come in on time, leave on time and take their full lunch break away from their desks.

Good for your colleague - these things definitely work both ways.

My current manager is flexible too - allows people to leave early/come in late when necessary (childcare, appointments, road closures etc) and as a result people are more than happy to stay late and work overtime when it's required.

Totally with your colleague. Two can play at the strict time keeping game...