To think throwing milkshakes over people is disgusting?

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So apparently it’s okay to chuck milkshakes over people we disagree with?

Now, I do not like Tommy Robinson, Carl Sargon, or Farage. However, I think that chucking cold food at them, or threatening to, is pathetic. If you disagree with them, then debate them. Take down their argument intelligently. Chucking a cheap milkshake makes you look like a toddler.

No doubt men who didn't want women to get the vote said exactly the same thing.

Waste of food, and unless these right-on milkshake activists are using soy milkshakes, waste of high environmental impact dairy products.

You know, arguing/debating with a fascist puts minorities in a position whereby they have to defend their right to existence. That's not the job of said minority. It also implies that there is a debate to be had. There isn't. Everyone has the right to exist.

That's exactly what the trans lobby says about 'trans rights'. That even debating it is wrong.

I personally do want to debate it, very much. I'd be very careful of denying the human rights of fascists now that some parts of mainstream society judge me to be one myself.

You know, arguing/debating with a fascist puts minorities in a position whereby they have to defend their right to existence. That's not the job of said minority. It also implies that there is a debate to be had. There isn't. Everyone has the right to exist.

I think that's why my lines are blurred here and I'm struggling not to go against my usual principles in not outright condemning the milkshake flingers. The views espoused by the likes of Farage and Yaxley-Lennon aren't the equivalent of saying "pink cushions are more comfortable than purple cushions". They are fundamentally denying the rights of other human beings to live and work here free from violence and harassment based on nothing more than skin colour, and encouraging others to try to deny people of colour their rights. It's abhorrent at a gut level, it goes against a principle so basic that I genuinely struggle to understand their mindset.

I am uncomfortable with the inevitable spread of the practice to those who aren't outright racists though, so on that score I can accept it's not an ideal way to protest and it is right those who have should face the due process of law - even though I have immense sympathy for them, especially the first guy who was being thoroughly harassed by SY-L.

They are fundamentally denying the rights of other human beings to live and work here free from violence and harassment based on nothing more than skin colour,

Be careful here. I do not believe Farage has done anything of the sort. Campaigning to leave the EU is not the same thing! I don't know enough about SY-L to comment about him

No doubt men who didn't want women to get the vote said exactly the same thing.

I’m sure men threw plenty of nasty things at women campaigning for the vote. Wasn’t right then, isn’t right now.

That's not the job of said minority. It also implies that there is a debate to be had. There isn't. Everyone has the right to exist

I’ve heard similar from TRAs that their right to “exist” is not up for debate. Dangerous road to go down

"Breaking point" poster using a photo of Syrian refugees, deliberately evoking parallels with a similar poster used by the Nazis to demonise Jews. Unveiled by Nigel Farage 2016

""In scores of our cities and market towns, this country in a short space of time has frankly become unrecognisable...in many parts of England you don't hear English spoken any more. This is not the kind of community we want to leave to our children and grandchildren." Nigel Farage 2014

Defended use of the term "Chinky", Nigel Farage 2014

"Any normal and fair-minded person would have a perfect right to be concerned if a group of Romanian people suddenly moved in next door." Nigel Farage 2014

Agreed that the "basic principle" of Powell's 'river of blood' speech was "right". Nigel Farage 2014

Claimed some Muslim immigrants were "coming here to take us over". Nigel Farage 2013

It's disingenuous to think he is trying to do anything but stir up racial/xenophobic hatred and suspicion. Say enough xenophobic things politely while wearing a suit, with a perpetual grin on your face and a pint in your hand, and you become the 'acceptable' face of racism with people thinking it’s okay to align themselves with you and the xenophobic things you stand for.

Those views and posters are not something that I agree with as do many others - however it does not then give anyone the right to hurl things at them. We gave to have freedom to express our views within the law

An 81year old man with a Brexit party rosette has just had milkshake thrown over him while going to vote. I’m assuming that’s ok with you lot? If not, why?

Don’t care how old he is. I don’t agree with throwing stuff at people. There is a bit of a question mark over that incident, though.......

An 81year old man with a Brexit party rosette has just had milkshake thrown over him while going to vote. I’m assuming that’s ok with you lot? If not, why?

Of course it's not okay. No-one's saying it is.

you lot ?

Who’s ‘you lot’?

So what is the question mark over that incident BertrandRussell?

Description of today's incident on another thread: No he just looked like a mardy elderly man who had had something chucked at him, which whilst unpleasant will wash off.

Some people are saying it's acceptable maybe not on this thread but even on this thread there is a hint of it's okay if xyz.

It's a disgusting thing to do, why throw anything at anyone. We as a society are becoming more grotesque year on year.

“Some people are saying it's acceptable ”

I’m not. Are you asking me to speak for people who do?

Nobody should throw things at anyone. But it would be a bit tricky to have thrown a milkshake from the road from a bike and not splash the ground around the victim. And it does look very like yoghurt.

No, I am not asking you that Bernard I asked you what was, in your words, questionable about today's incident.

The rest of my post referred to the comment that no-one is saying it is acceptable.

None of the reports I've read mentioned it being thrown by someone from bike?

I think that resorting to violence is a tacit admission that you've run out of or never had credible arguments against the victim's stance.

Brexit Party’s account of the incident on twitter “Bloke on a cycle passed by, saw his rosette, gave him the finger and abuse, then went to a shop, bought the milkshake and attacked him.“

Now this is not CSI- but that does not look like what would happen if you threw a milkshake at someone.

That doesn't say the person was on the bike when they threw it though.

Anyway, irrelevant. It's assault

and that says nothing about it being thrown at him from the bike or road, does it?

“Anyway, irrelevant. It's assault”

I agree. Unless it’s a stunt. In which case, it’s a waste of police time.