To be annoyed by anti-Alabama posts?

[Bere111]

For context, I’m not prolife or pro choice...i wouldn’t have an abortion myself but I know that largely because I’ve never been in those desperate circumstances, so equally would never judge someone who had.
But all the anti-Alabama posts I’ve seen this week by women in the UK I find pretty ill informed.
For example, most not knowing it is still banned in Northern Ireland- part of the UK.
Also, people saying it’s ‘healthcare’ - I don’t believe this is true. I think it should be a crisis service, and making it sound routine trivialises it for me.
People saying it’s a women choice...again I don’t really think this is right. It’s a women choice to get pregnant or not get pregnant of course, but unless that girl or women fell pregnant through no choice of their own (in which can of course she should have access to abortion) I’m not sure once she’s actually pregnant she should then just be free to opt in or opt out.
I fell pregnant by accident with ds1, I was very newly married, had a well paid job and owned a house but was younger then I’d planned to be (27)- yet I had 3 people ask ‘god, what are you going to do???’ Which I found bizarre.
Most people’s opinion of abortion (including mine!) is formed on the fact that for those that are victims of rape or incest, or the health of the mother or baby is in question, or for example the mother is under 18 or even under 21, the time they need to have a safe solution to deal with an unplanned pregnancy.
However, I know that only about 3% of abortion happen for the reason above. The rest the nhs classify as lifestyle factors.
I’m sure many women may be masking issues by telling the motivating reason for the termination is just a lifestyle factor, but even so I still think many, many abortion take place because of poor planning and poor timing.
I’ve had 2 close friends have terminations in our late 20s, both of which went on to have children with the same partner a few years later. Although I supported their choice, I didn’t really understand it. They were both preoccupied with the idea that the timing wasn’t right- even though they wanted children and wanted children with the current partners.
I think we put far to much pressure of ourselves that we have to do things in the right order- so then when a pregnancy comes along that wasn’t on the timeline, we freak out- even if we are perfectly capable of parenting at that time.
I also think something most be going wrong with how we are approaching contraception, especially as the fastest growing segment of women needing abortion are 30+ and have ahead previous abortions. Can women not access contraception easily or could giving more education around ovulation cycles help this (this is pretty common place in countries like Germany from secondary school age, and women generally avoid sex when they’re ovulating- even when using another form of contraception)
I guess all in all I think it’s a really complex matter- and I don’t think we have it totally right in this country, and I find it a trivialisation to see my friends sharing handmaid tale’s pictures with ‘my body my choice’ tag lines...surely when a matter really is life or death, we shouldn’t simplify it as a women’s prerogative?
Or AIBU?

Surrounding tissue is the womb lining. The same is done after a late miscarriage.

Pinkyy....are you offering to raise all these potential children
No. Of course not. I am responsible for any life that I create, just as you are for yours. If you choose to give that responsibility to someone else via care/adoption, that is your choice to make.

@Cottonwoolmouth
Can you explain to me how four limbs, a head and a body is not a baby? It is not a lie designed to upset women, it is the truth.

@Bumpitybumper yes I think an embryo is a child. Yes I eat meat and I value human life above that of livestock.

Oh God, have we been invaded by the anti-choicer's again?

Abortion should be freely accessible to ANY woman, for ANY reason, as early as possible and as late as necessary. Yup.

No-one, Male or Female has the right to force another woman to get pregnant, to remain pregnant, or to give birth. That decision is the woman's alone, and she should be able to make whichever decision she wants. It's no-one else's business, not the father, not the doctor and not the state.

Female and don't agree with abortion? Don't have one. Male and don't agree with abortion? Have a vasectomy before having sex.

There is also another perspective for these anti choice extremists to consider. This 6 week cut off in Alabama barely gives a woman (or child) the chance to get her head around being pregnant. Seems likely people may opt for an abortion under pressure when if, given thinking time, they may have opted to continue.

This just got posted on a friends Facebook

It's been all week long in one form or another Dallas.

@dodgeballchamp I imagine that's what you tell yourself. But for you to sit there and say that you don't care if 'it' had to be torn limb from limb, you just wanted 'it' out, says more than I need to say.

I haven't RTFT, but I can understand some of your perspectives. You are reasonable on your moral objections. The problem is that (rightly or wrongly) there is no place for moral arguments in today's society.

I struggle too OP.

I think the consequences of raising a child born through rape and incest are different.

Raising a child you didn’t want no matter how it was conceived would also be hard. Mentally, physically, emotional maybe even financially.

If you are not in any way responsible for lives you did not create, why are you passing comment on those lives on the internet?

I had a termination at age 33 because I just didn’t have enough money to provide for another child ( we were already struggling with the 2 we had ) I also wasn’t in a great place mentally.
I went on to have another child a few years later when I was in a much better place financially & mentally.
I’m just so thankful I was able to access a legal and safe termination at point in my life.

Aye, from a woman that 'understands' poverty but wouldn't let her kids go on a school trip unless the hotel had room service

And the rape and abuse victims Pinkyy ? They are not responsible for that pregnancy. Should they be forced to give birth ?

Handsoffmysweets u put exactly what i was thinking
I do not understand the mentality of anybody who thinks they have the right to decide what other women can do with their body.

Pinkyyy I’m pretty sure a 12-week old foetus couldn’t walk, talk or think if you removed it from the womb, let alone stay alive of its own accord. So why should this half-formed creature be afforded more rights than the person sustaining its life? Whether it looks like a baby is completely immaterial. It isn’t a baby. What about molar pregnancies or half-formed conjoined twins? Would love (that’s sarcasm) to hear your views on them

@sheettent @teyem
on mumsnet

whether you like it or not, in the real world people are defending the right to life of the unborn. it doesn’t matter if you find the pro-life argument abhorrent we are passing bills !!!

How can I dictate what other woman want/need to do?

YABU

This thread is so ironic.

I expect the pro-lifers here also think nothing of drinking dairy milk, eating eggs, lamb and veal... Literally the outcome of paying money for those products is to end the life of an unborn/newborn animal, causing great distress and upset to the mother. And yet at the same time it's so terrible to terminate a human pregnancy! What strange, misplaced compassion some of you have.

Why are you @ ing me?

@Bere111
Of course you're right that cases of incest or rape would represent a significant risk to the woman's mental health and the child's physical health, but there are many many other scenarios where this risk could exist or potentially be even higher depending on the woman's mental and physical state of well being. No law could be sophisticated enough to assess each case properly and identify those where continuing the pregnancy would cause real mental and physical harm to the woman. It's easy to highlight rape and incest as they are abhorrent crimes, but it doesn't really make any life that the woman is carrying any less worthy of protection and protection of the unborn is ultimately what the pro-life arguments are based on. The cognitive dissonance kicks in when you are pro-life, think you're protecting the innocent/vulnerable and then someone points out that another innocent/vulnerable person (i.e. a tapered woman) is being damaged in the process hence the rape and incest exception start creeping in.

Pinkyy seriously if you want to sit there and tell yourself I’m secretly traumatised then by all means, go ahead - i can also sit here and tell myself I’m a millionaire. Doesn’t make either of those statements true.

...and getting said bills struck down.

'We are passing bills ' - did what happened in Ireland pass you by ?