How dreadful does Madonna sound on Eurovision?

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This is hideous

I think Madonna is probably the ultimate wanky virtue signaller who wants to be seen to make all the right noises but is a very unpleasant person in reality.

This thread is mad!

It started off with how shit Madonna is and has become one poster obsessing over her walk down the stairs, and another banging on about the Illuminati and the occult!

😂😂😂

The woman gets on her high horse about how other artists copy her (lol behave Madge) but in reality who wants to copy that? It felt like the other way to be honest, her trying to be something she’s not

Her voice has always been poor.

The woman gets on her high horse about how other artists copy her (lol behave Madge)

Yeah, like she didn't steal Express Yourself from Respect Yourself in the first place!

Her voice has always been poor.

Why has she had so much success then? Makes you wonder.

She's posted on Instagram that the only way to avoid criticism is to do nothing, say nothing, be nothing.

I suspect it will be her only response. To be fair she's got a point 🤣

Justaboy that is beautiful. I am learning some Handel at the moment.

The press only care that she had a palestine flag. I await the anti-semitism accusations.

I should say sound engineers make a massive difference to peformance. If you cant hear yourself singing, you have no chance. Try it yourself, record yourself singing something whilst drowning your hearing with audience noise or something through earphones.

She’s just a bit passed it isn’t she? I thought she came accross well in the interview bit before, just chilled and quite witty. But the descent down those stairs took forever!! When she was at the top I said to DH it was an accident waiting to happen! It was funny though, I haven’t laughed so much in ages, the whole show last night was hilarious

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You can only use autotune in post production, not whilst live (well they could but it would be obvious). It digitally pushes the sound they're making into the right key basically.

She’s just a bit passed it isn’t she?

I hate it when people come out with shit like that. Usually said about older women who "aren't dressing right" or should be better behaved at their age.
Balls to that.
Past it, I don't think so.
What's past it supposed to mean, anyway? As in give up old lady, go home?
No. Horrible attitude.

Cactus I agree . She's never been a great singer- modern era female singers - lady gaga, Adele, Sia etc etc are way better .

She's had her success through being clever - picking good collaborators, and by using her image to market herself to the max.

I just think pop music is more of a young person's genre so 60 isn't really old but it kind of is for pop, in that it isn't what people are used to. That wouldn't be a problem if she'd been good... Also as others have pointed out she chose to come down a flight of stairs while singing, dancing and wearing an eye patch. She didn't have to do that and she didn't pull it off well. I've never been a Madonna fan anyway and she's always had a reputation for not having a good voice.

I thought the monks on the stairs looked like something out of a Terry Pratchett novel and were bonkers but was expecting Madonna-level bonkersness so wasn't surprised... the stairs slowly were obviously meant to show some kind of slow impending doom (she seems to be into that at the moment) but just looked silly instead of artistic... and the vocal she sounded like she was short of breath and full of snot to be honest. Basically typical levels of Madonna what the fuck-ness with a really bad vocal day. The sound mix seemed ropey all the bits of it I watched - although to be fair I only caught the tail end having returned from a concert at the Albert Hall so I was going from the sublime to the totally ludicrous anyway.

It was truly cringeworthy.

I used to enjoy Madonna's music when I was younger (takes me back to my student days, far too long ago).

It isn't an age thing. She was totally out of tune and sounded as though she is unable to tell a flute from a fart.

I think making the performance last night was an unwise move for her. I wish it wasn't, but it was.

She's had her success through being clever - picking good collaborators, and by using her image to market herself to the max.

Not clever enough to reinvent herself as she goes along though which is what most enduring stars do.

I just think pop music is more of a young person's genre so 60 isn't really old but it kind of is for pop, in that it isn't what people are used to

The people who were at the forefront of the pop music "genre" (performers and fans) are now in their 60s and 70s. They still love music from past decades and some contemporary stuff. There isn't a use by date!

Stevie Nicks (born 1948) was at her peak when she joined Fleetwood Mac in 1975 aged 27 - her voice was exquisite. By the early 80s it had been ruined by drugs, smoking and alcohol. She sounded much worse than Madonna ever has! She got sober and worked with a voice coach so she made a comeback (of sorts) in the late 90s with a voice that was different but still good.

She's 71 now and sells out stadiums as a solo artist and with Fleetwood Mac. Whilst Madonna is ridiculed, Stevie Nicks is revered despite the (excellent) cosmetic surgery, waist length blonde hair and wearing witch-like costumes.

Give it another 10 years and maybe Madonna won't be the victim of misogynistic and ageist remarks.

How is pop a young person's genre? It isn't just kids that listen to music, some of us still manage to enjoy a tune well into our forties . Why the hell shouldn't we have musicians and singers that reflect our age, not all of us want to see teenage girls on stage screeching at us.

She has always been out of tune and had a pretty terrible voice. I saw her at her first UK concert. She was really flat . I think she had a lot of support and tuning and stage shennanigans to distract from the vocals.

This. Listen to her cover of American Pie . She is as flat as a pancake, and that's with the world's best sound engineers and post-production at her disposal.

Love Madonna - she is an awesome performer and a good dancer, but she has always been a poor singer. Though I do agree with justaboy that the mixing last night was weird too.

Leakinglikeacolander it was a long time ago now I used to from time to time roady for some bands and do the sound mix but as you might imagine there were a lot of naughty substances and decent real ale so the memories whilst great are rather hazy now;(

Did supertramp one short series of gigs and Roger Hodgson is playing the Albert hall this week trying to get down there:)

www.royalalberthall.com/tickets/events/2019/roger-hodgson/

Oh wow just listened to the version on Madonna’s own YouTube channel and they have massively tweaked the sound, compared to the audience upload version! Wow!

Do you have link to the clip on her website?
I don't even like her face much so struggling to search...

I'm telling you, the songs weren't as 'wrong' on Radio2 last night. Use listen again feature to see for yourself. All the uploaded versions on youtube are terrible in comparison.

oops, you mean this one from youtube channel? Yeah, that is EXACTLY what it sounded like on R2. imho. A lot deeper than I thought her voice was but not actually wrong notes. I appear to be tone deaf, though, so.. I suspect the acoustics in the arena were wrong but the direct feed was much better.

Thats really weird, sounds so different (like its been dubbed) It also seems a faster pace too!