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To want to destroy this man?

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thesungoesdownthestarscomeup · 17/05/2019 08:49

I've name changed for this as potentially outting;

Please help - I need some advice. And it’s a long one, sorry!

Long story short is DS football coach and I don’t get on, all stems back to presentation evening last year when I was sat opposite him and could hear him slagging me off to a host of people (at the time he was just another parent, not a coach), to save a massive scene at the time and DH flattening him in front of children etc we left and I sent him a message explaining I had heard him and of course if he had an issue he could of spoken to me face to face like an adult, queue him denying it, and running back to the then coach saying I had started a war with him for no reason etc, huge frosty atmosphere which resulted in him turning quite a few parents against me and making out I was deluded with pregnancy hormones at the time. What he didn’t know was that it was the current coaches wife who actually told me what he was saying as I could only decipher parts from across the table with loud music on!

Anyhow, fast forward almost a whole year and this delight of a bloke has now muscled in on the team and seems to be running the team and coaching, subs to be paid to his wife etc.

Since the day he’s become more involved with the team he’s set out to make my life hell, reflecting on DS.

Some examples are; was asked to pay £5 for a tournament as a matter of urgency I was out in the car at the time so offered to drop payment off if he told me his door number (I knew the street!) - he ignored my message on the group WhatsApp and then did an arsey status about me not paying 🤨

Was told to pay £10 per month subs as a bank transfer to his wife’s current account 🤨 money was to be paid irrespective of whether child could attend or not, it was paid to keep their space and ensure they have the same as others for presentation night/Christmas, have always paid this monthly despite my DS not being able to play/train with them since January as he’s had a pneumo-empyema which he was in hospital for a month with, now long road to recovery. One month, I think it was March, I was late paying subs due to everything going on as well as a newborn baby, he took it upon himself to remove DS from team and me from WhatsApp/Facebook groups as I hadn’t paid 👀 he couldn’t even take the time to drop me a quick message asking what the situ was or prompting payment?! It was humiliating as once I had discovered what he had done, I messaged him, repaid subs and then was added back into the groups 🙈 like some naughty school girl!

Based on what’s been going on obviously DS hasn’t played/trained much but I’ve had to put his welfare first. Anyhow, last weekend there was a tournament it’s the first time DS has been back, he played (was subbed mostly!) and had a medal at the end, the coach then messaged me again on the group WhatsApp stating parents have noticed DS only turned up as there was a medal 🤨🤨🤨🤨 so, I explained I thought I was paying subs for him to have the same as others but he was welcome to have the medal back if he wished! Lo and behold for another message to come through again on the group WhatsApp directed at me saying irrespective of reason if your child doesn’t train they don’t play. Now, I back this to a certain degree, but it’s hardly like my son has had a cold! I thought he would be encouraging of all children, and appreciate they are only children who ultimately are there to enjoy and wouldn’t single any child out for disability basically making it impossible for him to ever inter-grate back into the team as he may not train one week if his chest is particularly bad/hosp appt etc.

Final straw came this week when we were asked to order t shirts for tour, again on the WhatsApp group, I ordered what I needed and was about to make payment by bank transfer to his wife when it said my banking app was updating, so I wrote a message asking could she wait up to four hours for payment or if not could I drop cash off to her. Again my message was ignored, come Monday morning a message appears stating all those who ordered and PAID for their t shirts your order has been placed and for anyone else tough luck! To save DS missing out I messaged the older teams secretary to ask if I could order with her, she said yes, so I messaged coaches wife and said I was going to place my order with older team sec as she hadn’t placed her teams order yet. Queue a private text from her husband telling me I obviously don’t want DS to be part of the team as I couldn’t even order in the same manner as everyone else 🤨🤨🤨🤨

This constant nit picking has gone on too long, and I told him so, which resulted in him quitting with immediate effect unless I removed DS from the team after I messaged him asking why he had made everything as difficult as possible and questioned whether it was purposeful for him to push DS out via me in the hope he wouldn’t return to the team, of course I was rail roaded into removing DS by other parents making passive aggressive remarks that they don’t want to lose coach so would rather lose DS as he hasnt trained/played for months 🤨🤨🤨

Yesterday was particularly upsetting as DS broke his heart coming home from school because his friends were going training but he couldn’t go, anyway, I took him to a different team and he seemed to enjoy, and in all it seems a better team in terms of management and training.

But, I really don’t agree with this coaches conduct and I want to know how best to address it. Is it worth going to the chairman of the club? Or the committee? Or do I just leave it lay?

I’m so upset but equally annoyed this has happened!

Oh and by the way if you think this post is about your husband then it probably is, and my opinion is he's a cunt!

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DiscontinuedModelHusband · 17/05/2019 15:17

i think this thread is starting to be rather sweeping!

i've been involved in youth coaching for almost 8 years now (first DS1, now DS2) and although i've definitely seen a number of people who would fit the descriptions above (and a few worse), the majority are lovely, well-meaning, dedicated and well-liked by their players and parents.

the fa qualifications (even the most basic) are all about inclusivity and fun, specifically trying to drive out the over-competitiveness that was pervasive for years and years.

certainly all the age-groups my DSs have been involved with have had lovely coaches.

most of us recognise that if a child struggles to attend training every week, it's much more likely to be down to the parents/external factors, and that the children shouldn't be held responsible (even if this still means they might not play as much as kids who turn up every week).

a well-run youth football team can be an excellent way to keep fit, learn responsibility, teamwork, dealing with successes and failures, and both of my DSs have made really good friends outside their school circles (which can be a godsend sometimes when the school fallings out begin).

please don't let a couple of bad examples put you off something that could be very enriching for your child!

PollyWollyDolly wow - sounds like you've had tremendously bad luck, and i'm really sorry for that. i completely understand why you would just pack it in after those experiences.

Fiveredbricks · 17/05/2019 15:20

Reason #8273 why ny son is going to Rugbytots instead of Diddikicks 😂

Football breeds wankers at every single level.

Fiveredbricks · 17/05/2019 15:20

Also... *my ... Stupid bloody phone.

MissEliza · 17/05/2019 15:31

I would have run a mile by now. Unfortunately there are many arseholes like him up and down the country who really can make kids lives miserable. There's also some awful awful parents.
Ds2 was in a similar shitty environment and despite the fact all this mates were in the team and the facts their parents begged us to stay we moved him to another club in a nearby village. We didn't know anyone there but the ethos was far friendlier. He thrived, made friends and became an excellent player. The shitty coach from the old team recently texted my dh asking if he wanted to come back! Dh took great pleasure in politely turning him down!

FooFightersFan · 17/05/2019 17:50

discontinuedmodel I'm positive that the excellent coaches far outnumber the arsehole versions. Like I said, DS's current coach is fantastic. We love him. He's firm but fair, encouraging but tells it straight, he's just a regular nice guy. And a good coach because the boys got promoted at the end of the season too.
What's more my DP also coached youth football for a while, but he couldn't give the commitment needed so 'retired'. So I've seen good coaches and I've seen what takes their time behind the scenes and I know how difficult it is to keep parents & football players happy. It's a juggling act and at times it's tough but very rewarding.
That's the thing tho, if a coach is not working out for you, change teams. It's better for everyone and improves weekends immensely Grin

Zakana · 17/05/2019 18:24

He’s a nasty, unnecessary bully, who is enjoying his position of power. Get your DS well away from him, I’m not surprised your DH wanted to flatten him, I did just reading about it!

thesungoesdownthestarscomeup · 17/05/2019 20:26

Thanks for the support Zakana. You're so right, he's a bully and he's got away with it for so long and by me removing DS I imagine it's just a matter of time until he moves onto his next victim x

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MoonlightBringsSanity · 17/05/2019 20:35

I got told a similar story at work today from a guy who is a rugby coach for kids. Chuntering on about t-shirts.. it maybe him that you are referring to. He is a cunt. He drives me fucking mental!

thesungoesdownthestarscomeup · 17/05/2019 20:36

Hahaha Moonlight! You've really made me chuckle!

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Marmablade · 17/05/2019 20:50

DH is a qualified sports coach and has a first aid kit in his car at all times helpful for park trips and soft play accidents so I can imagine him saying yes to an inhaler if he only coached one team.

thesungoesdownthestarscomeup · 17/05/2019 21:01

Jesus Christ most sports teams hold a first aid kit don't they? No matter how basic!

I used to ride and even with my own horses I used to take a mini first aid kit out with me if riding in a group - you just never know! X

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southernsoftiestuckooopnorth · 17/05/2019 21:23

Have I read it right that your son is 6/7? I don't understand why you didn't call this arsehole out sooner Confused
Football teams under the FA are very well regulated regarding funds, CFC checks, and child welfare. If a team is not adhering to the guidelines, then they should be reported.

That being said, I have seen some utter utter arseholes as coaches over the last couple of years that my DC have been playing football. Our club takes their responsibilities really seriously, and the coaches are firm but fair and respected. Other local clubs have no issues with their coaches bawling out 7 year olds in the middle of a game. It's awful. I know there are lots of toxic people in kids football, coaches and parents alike. It's my job to make sure my child never has to deal with that.

julensaor · 18/05/2019 02:31

Just ask him on a whatsapp group message to post his vetting qualifications, (due to inconsistencies). He will, you win too though as you sow a seed in everyone's mind, WHY? is he being asked that? The doubt is sown.

thesungoesdownthestarscomeup · 18/05/2019 07:17

Unfortunately I can't as it will mean I need to create a group to ask, as I've been removed from the last one!

Will look like I'm a knob if I do this. Good idea tho x

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MrsBobDylan · 18/05/2019 07:53

I can't understand why you have carried on with this team for as long as you have. This man is horrible and and it must be awful for you and ds to have this sort of bullying in your lives.

Ditch the club and find a new one!

IronManisnotDead · 18/05/2019 08:04

I hope it's not the same coach I know, because he is an absolute twat, always been a bully, and him and his wife seem to have a habit of causing fights, fundraising for the kids team, then keeping the money.

My advice would be to put an official complaint with the FA. I assume your team is registered with them? Or even the president of your league.

luckylavender · 18/05/2019 08:06

Change teams. Reading this through it looks as if there is fault on both sides as horrible as he is. There seem to be a lot of instances where interaction with you had been difficult which has exacerbated the situation. As a voluntary coach time is limited & chasing people & having lots of different touch points is just an unnecessary pain. Be interested to know why he had reason to be irritated with you in the first place, if he was just another parent at this point.

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Missingstreetlife · 18/05/2019 08:14

Can't you make a complain

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Sweetdreamer93 · 18/05/2019 08:15

Now that you've moved your son and he is happier, why don't you get your DH to meet him face to face and tell him exactly what you think of his behaviour.

Hiding behind men is what keeps us women powerless

Blueeyesdarkhair · 18/05/2019 08:17

Paying it into his wife’s current account is very dodgy. His wife could spend all the money and not pay for the required insurance and the parents would have no come back. They need to open a club account in the name of the team
with a couple of signatories to sign.
Given the bad blood between you I’d say, leaving us the best idea.
However if you’re part of a team you need to pay each month on time, no matter if your son attends or not. Also the no train - no play rule is completely normal, otherwise no one would ever turn up for training.

Groovee · 18/05/2019 08:22

We had this with some random bloke who turned up and tried taking over the whole junior club. Most teams bar our age group and another age group let him take over. He was furious that one of our dads was an accountant and had opened a bank account, took the subs by standing order and kept proper accounts and refused point blank to give him money willynilly. The "coach" was trying to make it into a full time job for himself.

He moved on to another team where he met another stonewall. Most of their parents knew our parents. He got fried there.

I'd move on and let Ds have success elsewhere.

thesungoesdownthestarscomeup · 18/05/2019 08:23

DH asked to meet him this week, with both me and his wife present to sort out the problems he has with us - he declined!

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thesungoesdownthestarscomeup · 18/05/2019 08:23

Sweets - please let me know some of your best ideas lol!!!

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