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To allow my 10 yr old DS cook dinner every day

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NobbyD · 13/05/2019 10:02

DS is 10 and massively into cooking. He pretty much thinks, reads and watches everything there is to know about cooking, baking and cuisine. He's a little chef in the making.

He started cooking dinners once a week for us, then got the buzz and now pretty much plans our weekly meals using recipes from Jamie Oliver, Gordon Ramsey and the like. He makes breakfast and dinner every single day. And I'm not talking bung in the oven, or jar stuff. He'll cook risottos, seafood pasta, curries, and especially likes cooking fish and seafood with an array of veg. His ultimate day out is going to the fishmonger, choosing a fish he's not heard of and then finding a recipe, then going to a greengrocer for organic veg and then cooking it. He's honestly amazing! And I've even now got him washing up before and after.

My question is, should I allow him to cook every day? I've been told that I shouldn't let my 10yr old cook for me everyday. That it could be dangerous for 10yr old to be using the oven, the hobs, grill, etc etc. That I'm the mother, I should be cooking for him or at least with him (he doesn't want me in the kitchen, he hates it if I look over him but I am supervising from the other room where I can see him). But tbh, he's better than me. His meals are nutritious, cooked from scratch, and balanced (nothing that I could achieve). But I've been told that like any hobby/obsession, there needs to be a balance. He needs to find other interests. He's only 10!

He plays football for a team too. He also has a younger brother, 6, who is disabled. So his cooking time is when he gets to relax and do something he loves away from his very demanding brother. I've even woken up of a weekend and DS1 is making cakes with DS2 at 7.30am letting his little bro stir the mix!!

I'm trying to find him a culinary school but all the ones for kids are basic stuff like pizza making, which is so below his standard he'd be bored, and all the ones he would like to do are for adults only.

AIBU to allow him to indulge in his cooking obsession at 10 or should I fully embrace this and be grateful I have DS who is smart, talented, and wants to cook for the family?

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Madcats · 13/05/2019 12:19

There is such a massive difference in maturity of children at that age. I imagine that you were very careful to ensure you son knows how to handle knives/work safely. Have you also taught him what to do in the even of a fire/bought and shown him how to use a fire blanket? Are you confident that he knows how to keep his younger brother safe?

It sounds as if your son is already a very capable cook, so I would be inclined to indulge his talent at the moment (but always check with him that he is happy to continue). It would probably make sense for you to have a weekly food budget, though!

I have foodie friends who dine out/cook extensively and saw no reason to alter their habits when their son came along. He was cooking some remarkable stuff in his teens (Facebook etc wasn't really around during his pre-teen years). He still does!

Aprillygirl · 13/05/2019 12:21

You lucky lucky thing OP! Cooking is your DS's passion,you should be actively encouraging that never mind just allowing it, and whoever tells you different is just jealous.

EggAndButter · 13/05/2019 12:24

If I’m getting that right, your ds1 has a disabled brother and two working parents.
I’m sure his life can be pretty hectic and and he says that cooking is his way to relax and get away from what could be a difficult situation at times.

Now I will say. It’s not unusual for children whose parents or siblings have a disability to be much more mature than other children.
But your ds is ACE. Because he has managed to find something that most adults don’t. A way to relax and enjoy himself. Something that he finds nourishing and gives him a sense of balance. And that’s AMAZING.
I know some people (adults) who let of steam by doing a sport/going running etc... No one would bat an eye lid if he was playing football for one hour everyday. Or if he was swimming (like a family member did since they were about 6yo - at 10yo they were already swimming more than 7 hours a week).
For me there is no difference. He is doing something he enjoys and wants to do. It’s helping cope with life. What on earth wouod anyone stop him because it’s cooking and it’s mum that ought to do the cooking? Confused

My only proviso, like for any other activity such as sports or theatre etc..., is to always have the door open for him to stop. Even if he has done it for the last 5 or 6 years, is now a teen and suddenly doesn’t want to cook for the family anymore

Otherwise, enjoy!! Much nicer for you than having to take him to swimming lessons at 5.30am Grin

EggAndButter · 13/05/2019 12:25

Mad tbh I’m pretty sure that anyone who can cook at that level also knows how to handle a knife.
Because it’s a basic requirement to be able to chop vegetables, cut meat etc etc

That’s the last thing I wouod be worried about.

JonSnowsFurCoat · 13/05/2019 12:35

NobbyD If you pm me, my cousin is a chef working in London. He’s opened his own restaurant and also helps develop menus at other restaurants. He trained under Heston Blumenthal so is very into the food/science stuff. I can ask if maybe he can go along on a weekend to the restaurant and have a look behind the scenes.

TeacupDrama · 13/05/2019 12:35

people criticise as it is not the norm if you were dragging him and his little mother to football practise 4 nights a week no one would sat a word
it is not compulsory to be an extrovert,
I think he should tidy up it is his hobby ( the fact that his hobby is kind of useful to you is irrelevant) in fact the thing is you said he tidies as he goes which is far better than a heap at the end

The only thing is you might have to reign him in on the expense side, and ask him to get creative with onions cheese and potatoes just in case his hobby gets more expensive than the other child's hobbies. Also it needs to be part of your overall budget obviously you would be spending money on food anyway but not necessarily on what he chooses, it is OK to say no if you really need just a quick bowl of soup and out in 10 minutes
my DD plays tennis they all have to run round after the lesson and matches to pick up the 150 balls lying all over the court, she also likes crafting she has to pick up all the bits of paper from floor or vacuum; if you do horse riding you have to groom your horse and muck out etc

I do not think as parents we do our kids any favours if we do the more boring clean up parts of their hobbies, you can't just do the exciting bits of life and leave someone else to do the boring bits MN is full of complainants about man children who love the exciting disney bits of life but not the boring bits

Justanothernamechange2 · 13/05/2019 12:39

Id personally leave him to it but make him aware that he doesnt HAVE to and that youre happy to cook too. Hobbies and interests are great, as long as they dont become a chore

Ruralretreating · 13/05/2019 12:42

Wow, those meals look fantastic. I’m craving that tuna now and feeling slightly ashamed for buying in a couple of ready meals to eat whilst DH is away this week.

NobbyD · 13/05/2019 12:58

@JonSnowsFurCoat WOW WOW WOW! Thank you so much! I'll PM you now. DS has just discovered Heston and loved the science creation stuff. This would be a dream come true for him. I'm eternally grateful and so glad I now posted Smile

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NobbyD · 13/05/2019 12:59

@Ruralretreating haha the tuna was fab, highly recommend. And don't worry, id do the same with ready meals if I could Grin

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ThatCurlyGirl · 13/05/2019 13:01

Bloody hell his food looks amazing!! You must be very proud he sounds like a gem.

FWIW I think while it's important to encourage kids to socialise and push them to be their best selves in different areas of life, sometimes we forget that they will have preferences just like us grown ups.

What I mean is I am naturally very happy in my own company, but equally in a group if it's at a time I can cope with and I can cancel needed. I remember being little and pushed into social situations that made me very anxious but told to go along with it to be polite / get used to it etc. I've always been a little obsessive when I love to do something, it makes me so happy to feel I'm excelling at something I've worked really hard it. Sounds like he is similar!

So I wouldn't worry too much if he is happy focusing on his hobby for now at least. He may well be an introverted (successful) chef with a few close friends who is fine in his own company for more time than most people - nowt wrong with that. Like I said he sounds lovely and kind, as well as talented. Well done you!Smile

NobbyD · 13/05/2019 13:01

@TeacupDrama thank you! I agree. It's his hobby and yes we all benefit but if I were to cook I wouldn't make that much mess, use that many knives etc, so he should learn to clear up as he goes along even if it's bunging the stuff in the dishwasher.

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ThatCurlyGirl · 13/05/2019 13:01

Can cancel if* needed

cubesofjelly · 13/05/2019 13:02

Oh OP I’m one that’s all for this!

I’ve tried to read through the whole thread but might have missed the odd comment, so apologies for any repetition from me.

Firstly on YouTube, there are some really interesting chefs and cooks that have their own channels, plus food vloggers who travel around filming foods from different restaurants, street food markets etc. If he’s not there already, he might find these really interesting. You can set up his account and manage it, put it into ‘restricted mode’ (not perfect but helps to filter out the obviously adult stuff), and help him find some cooks/chefs/vloggers. There’s probably a list out there somewhere with recommendations, I’m lazy so I just look at random of videos rather than having a carefully cultivated list Grin but I do like Binging with Babish and Bon Appetit. I sometimes watch Tasty videos (find they’re variable), and I search for different food travel videos (at the moment I’m going through a phase of watching different teppanyaki vids...).

In terms of him filming, take your time to get to know about video production. No one expects perfection but YouTube content has come such a long way, amateurs also have good beginner equipment. Eg maybe a good digital camera (Go Pros are popular but can be pricey), or at least a high quality smart phone for recording video. Most people have an additional microphone, Blue Yeti is the popular starting mic around £100 - not sure how that would work in a kitchen if he wanted to speak whilst cooking (it’s a USB mic so needs plugging into a computer or laptop to record) but would be good for doing audio over if he films first then records his audio over the top. However I’ve seen a number of YouTube foodies using clip on mics so if you do some research there might be a particular one that works well, and plugs into a smart phone or similar.

I’m not suggesting you go full on into attempting professional recording or anything! Just that a decent image and audio makes such a big difference when you put out a video, especially with something like cooking where there can be quite a bit of environmental noise from ovens, boiling, frying, etc. The other element is some basic editing, as he may want to speed up some bits or chop stuff out and such. Basically to get something watchable there’s a fair bit of background work to do, it’s not too hard but if he’s interested in cooking and not at all interested in video editing, audio editing etc then either he won’t enjoy doing it or you’ll need to take that on.

A decent smartphone could just do the whole job and you upload it direct, but just to highlight that even a lot of amateur and child channels have a lot of this behind them. Also, you can disable comments if you wanted to upload and are worried, or if you kept them you can flag anything you think is inappropriate and perhaps monitor/filter what you let him read of the comments. YouTube is extra wary with child content now because of issues in the past so they step in fairly quickly if there’s anything that concerns them, either in the video or the comments, once they’re aware.

Massive derail on YouTube there but saw you mention it and thought I’d add what I can. On a similar note, there are some interesting food bloggers and cooks online too (ie not YouTube, with their own websites) if he hasn’t explored that side yet. That’s also another thing he could do if he wanted, to blog rather than video, and take pictures of food and his cooking steps. A bit easier to do than filming and editing, and a lot more control over whether you allow comments and moderating what people post if you do.

On a separate note, my DH was exactly the same as a child and still is as an adult. He chose not to pursue it professionally, he prefers to keep it as is hobby (he developed a second rather different interest, with similar passion and perseverance, which is what he chose to do for a living). I see a lot of comments around socialising but honestly, I think we as adults can overthink this sometimes. As long as children are encouraged to develop social skills, such as through school or other means (and your DS is, both by being at school and through doing a sport), then that’s more than enough IMO. Some people (like myself, and my DH) are introverted and prefer doing other things, we’ve still managed to work, make friends, get married... DH still spends his free time cooking and on his other interest (the one which is also his career), I spend my free time on my personal interests too (a mix of cooking and another area, but I’ve never been as precise or chef-like as DH!), we’re both happy people with a family and friends, we don’t do big socialising events or regular nights out/get togethers and that’s just fine! It sounds like you’re focused on his wellbeing and ensuring he knows that he doesn’t have to cook, and it’s great he is being supported in his passion.

Good luck to him Flowers

sashh · 13/05/2019 13:03

A book recommendation - The reader's digest Complete Guide to Cookery by Anne Willan.

It has a few recipes in it but is more about showing you where cuts of meat come from and cooker techniques.

It starts with chopping an onion and goes on to boning chicken, opening clams and preparing snails (It also tells you how to clean garden snails for cooking).

Oh and I think you need to start a rota of MNers for him to visit and cook for.

www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Complete-Guide-to-Cookery-by-Anne-Willan-Hardback-Book-The-Cheap-Fast-Free-Post/391376485861?_trkparms=aid%3D555018%26algo%3DPL.SIM%26ao%3D2%26asc%3D20160908110712%26meid%3Dd47f5f39a174431d980cb46e2ddda51b%26pid%3D100677%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D19%26sd%3D133032245025%26itm%3D391376485861&_trksid=p2385738.c100677.m4598

NobbyD · 13/05/2019 13:05

@ThatCurlyGirl yes, so true. I was and still am the same. I'm introverted (although my school drama teacher might say otherwise), writing and acting was my passion as I could pretend to be someone else. Cooking is his and I hate to force him into situations where he's uncomfortable. He can get by. He talks to people if he has to, he's just not the loud boisterous jack-the-lad people expect. Nor do I want him to be cause I wasn't either.

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SnowyAlpsandPeaks · 13/05/2019 13:14

I know I posted up thread, but what a nice thread! Encouragement, no one bitching at the OP, opportunities.

Miracles do happen!!

NobbyD · 13/05/2019 13:15

@cubesofjelly thank you so much for that reply! I will check out that YouTube stuff for him if he wants to give it a go. He watches sorted food on there and I'll be getting him their subscription for his bday coming up so he'll get more content etc. In my other life I did film production at uni so I should be able to work basic edits (although that was near 20 years ago Blush). And wonderful that you and your hubby are cooking enthusiasts. I wish I could be to share in his hobby! It'll be great to find him like minded friends so he can socialise and do what he loves!

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NobbyD · 13/05/2019 13:19

@SnowyAlpsandPeaks I know right! I'm so grateful to everyone for replying and encouraging. I was waiting to be told I was wrong to let him cook everyday but am taking on board the comments about encouraging him to socialise more and the clearing up Grin

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hummusexual · 13/05/2019 13:24

I sympathise. My 8 year old DS is equally obsessed with cooking and it is driving me a bit mad as he wants to help me cook every day. However, I am encouraging it as he is so into it and learning a lot from the tv cooking shows (he is obsessed with Gordon Ramsay and knows every detail of his life as far as I can tell and his idea of a fun day out is going to the butchers to look at different cuts of meat Grin). It's better than being on the computer all day and is a healthy obsession imo.

LaurieMarlow · 13/05/2019 13:29

Wow, he sounds like a little miracle Grin

Those pics look very impressive. Definitely get him on instagram, great platform for him. I look forward to hearing about his Michelin stars in the future.

Some more books he might like

www.amazon.co.uk/Completely-Perfect-Essential-Recipes-Every/dp/0241367875/ref=sr_1_1?s=gateway&crid=35GWIRTVL1CWS&keywords=felicity+cloake+completely+perfect&sprefix=felicity+clo%2Caps%2C136&tag=mumsnetforu03-21&qid=1557750293&sr=8-1

www.amazon.co.uk/River-Cottage-Meat-Book/dp/0340826355/ref=sr_1_6?s=gateway&crid=2PJOEP49SH9UZ&keywords=hugh+fearnley+whittingstall&sprefix=hugh+%2Caps%2C129&tag=mumsnetforu03-21&qid=1557750402&sr=8-6

I'd never knock a child following his passion, even if it feels quite single minded. My cousin wanted to be a fireman from the age of 3. He played very little else as a child, was obsessed with Fireman Sam, then London's Burning. He never wavered, moved across the country to achieve his goal and is now climbing the ranks and couldn't be happier.

Bookworm4 · 13/05/2019 13:39

My DD13 has a cooking passion, if she cooks I wash up, maybe offer that. I certainly wouldn't discourage him especially if it keeps him off Xbox.

SeaToSki · 13/05/2019 13:40

Have a look at www.rouxbe.com

Its an online training scheme for chefs/cooks/the culinary interested person. I dont believe it has a minimum age. There is a 7 day free trial to see if he might like it and then a whole variety of different memberships and courses from the professional to a specific skill. I have used it and loved it. It is US based, but they have students from all over the world

tildaMa · 13/05/2019 13:45

At 11 he's already better at cooking than a lot of adults. I wouldn't worry about socialising, he'll be very popular if he decides to share it once he's off to uni even if he stops cooking for you at some point.

I'd try to get him into adult cooking classes including a knife skills one - it may be hard to find one that will not consider him too young but if you do, he'll probably enjoy it a lot - both the learning and interaction with adults sharing his hobby.

foreverhanging · 13/05/2019 13:48

Ah wow I'm proper impressed at him wanting to cook!! I hope we see him on bake off one day 😁 I would absolutely let him at it but be available and keep an eye !

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