To not understand this whole non gender thing?

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What is going on? In the nicest way possible

Why are so many toilets becoming mixed gender. Many women would feel uncomfortable and vulnerable sitting on a toilet with a man outside who could peep over. It probably wouldn’t happen but in a pub for example when people are drunk it still could and for someone who has been through abuse it can be intimidating.

I just don’t understand why the tiny minority of trans etc cannot use disabled IF there is extra toilet for them, for example instead of changing toilets to mixed they should just build them another? Even clothing John Lewis gender neutral- why? If your dd wants to wear a train top just buy it? Why do we need to remove labels. I sometimes buy my dd paw patrol ‘boy’ nighties I don’t need to cry if I had to go down to the boy aisle for it.

I feel like the world is going mad

Apparently in schools there are a lot of kids now saying they have no gender- surely this is a phase if 20 years ago this wasn’t happening???

I dont understand the issue over toilets! Most of the restaurants near where I live only have space for one or two cubicles and they can be used by anyone. Never been an issue. Do the same everywhere else. Easy peasy, separate cubicles with wash basins, then everyone can piss in peace.

Totally agree with you. It’s ridiculous.

A lot of restaurants near me have been this way for years, never felt uncomfortable and never had an issue. A recently visited Ireland and I actually didn’t visit anywhere where they had separate toilets (not sure if the law has changed there) and I didn’t think anything of it.

Trans people are not disabled! Disabled toilets are for disabled people, for fucks Sam's.

Fuck's Sake*

Just read the OP properly. "Use the disabled toilets"...what!

Get Reading Op - are you about to fall down a rabbit hole... The feminism boards here are a good place to start.

I said why can’t they just make them an extra toilet and if it’s no available and there’s a disabled one they can use that, that’s only if they are so uncomfortable to go into the gender one they already mostly suit to like they currently do. Don’t see the big deal with using disabled if really obese people do, people with pushchairs, people who generally want to go for a no2.

There isn’t many of them so why make everyone else change their ways now.

Why should victims of sexual abuse or bipolar who are paranoid now feel uncomfortable

But where are trans people supposed to go to the loo if toilets are separated by sex?

I certainly don't want someone with a penis in the ladies loos with me but equally I don't want that person being laughed at in the men's. It's a bit of a dilemma.

*But where are trans people supposed to go to the loo if toilets are separated by sex?

I certainly don't want someone with a penis in the ladies loos with me but equally I don't want that person being laughed at in the men's. It's a bit of a dilemma*

I agree, but instead of revamping toilets to be mixed they should make an extra one for them then. For example universities and clubs are supporting mixed gender which will only encourage sex in toilets and drunk boys making girls feel uncomfortable. Or even girls standing by the sink making boys feel uncomfortable.

I certainly don't want someone with a penis in the ladies loos with me but equally I don't want that person being laughed at in the men's. It's a bit of a dilemma.

It's not a dilemma at all. Penis - gents loo. Why would a transwoman be laughed at for needing to pee? Do men routinely laugh at what other toilet users are wearing

Men’s toilets do have cubicles for no2s where they can hide their body parts
And if someone pathologically identifies as a woman then they could use the women’s as they have done before.

I think some people would feel uncomfortable making a noise u wrapping their tampons pads etc with a man next door who could hear it all too.

I like non gendered clothing ranges. They tend to use colours other than pink and blue and make shopping easier - I don't have to trawl through boys and girls sections online

I don’t feel strongly about mixed toilets as an adult my eldest daughter is just entering puberty and her school made the toilets mixed gender. The boys are having a field day with the tampon machines and the girls are to mortified to even open a sanitary wrapper in a cubicle in awe a boy hears. If they get blood on their hands it’s mortifying to have to go to the sinks next to boys to wash. Girls that age need single sex toilets or cubicles that are sound proof and include sinks. To torture pubescent girls for the benefit of one or two trans students I. The whole school is madness.

I don't really care about the toilet problems to be honest. Wouldn't bother me if a trans woman used the ladies unless they were deliberately in there to muck about, which is highly unlikely as they probs just want to pee, and if they were in there to muck about I'd expect them to be sorted out in the same way I would any women causing a scene lol. Unisex toilets wouldn't bother me either, again as long as you can't peep over the for and the men aren't pissing everywhere or mucking around.

I think places like pubs should have security in or near the toilets anyway, as even seperate gendered ones can get rowdy and men and women can easily just walk into either (at least in most pubs I've been to). That would probably solve any potential issues there.

I don't care if someone with a penis is in a cubicle next to mine, but I can appreciate that if you've been a victim of assault or abuse you may feel differently

My only objections to mixed facilities is having to paddle through urine to the toilet,avoiding pissed onseats and the apparatus inability of men to close a door when peeing .
There may be more but this is my limited experience so far.Havent notice one single transwoman in any public/work toilets .

Did you actually just claim trans people are disabled??

My viewpoint:

OP didn't say trans people were disabled. Will need to get all offended by something else I'm afraid.

And the whole gender thing has gotten fucking ridiculous imo.

Be whatever you want to be. No need to ram it down everyone's throat but is there.

And the previous post about the school toilets is actually disgusting. But hey ho who cares how the majority of the teenage girls feel eh.

Don’t see the big deal with using disabled if really obese people do, people with pushchairs, people who generally want to go for a no2.

Wise the fuck up! You think my child should wait to use the disabled toilets so some parent can take their kids in or because they want a SHIT?! Are you fucking kidding me?

Try reading the hundreds of pages on the feminist threads and educate yourself. FFS

Wise the fuck up! You think my child should wait to use the disabled toilets so some parent can take their kids in or because they want a SHIT?! Are you fucking kidding me?Try reading the hundreds of pages on the feminist threads and educate yourself. FFS

How is this even a feminist issue if it also applies to men being vulnerable.

Disabled should be for disabled but as unfortunately for example toilets are buggy friendly people with babies will use them, especially when they normally put the baby changing down mat I them?!!

Gender neutral clothes and not labelling clothes/toys as being for boys or girls is fine. We don't need to label trains as being for boys and fairies as girls, that's the point.... It means children genuinely are free to choose.

I'm not getting into the trans arguments. But the point about letting toys be toys / clothes be clothes isn't a trans issue- it's about avoiding gender stereotyping and saying, for example, fire engines are for everyone/anyone who is interested in them!

DS1's school has unisex toilets what are open from the corridor - at parents evenings and on open days you can see right inside the loos with just a normal thin door on each cubicle.

The thought of teenage girls having to use those is horrible, and whilst the Head is all "no bullying in my school since we rebuilt the bathroom" (which is nonsense because there's bullying in every school) it also opens girls up to so much more from the teenage boys who'll use anything as ammunition.