To not understand this whole non gender thing?

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What is going on? In the nicest way possible

Why are so many toilets becoming mixed gender. Many women would feel uncomfortable and vulnerable sitting on a toilet with a man outside who could peep over. It probably wouldn’t happen but in a pub for example when people are drunk it still could and for someone who has been through abuse it can be intimidating.

I just don’t understand why the tiny minority of trans etc cannot use disabled IF there is extra toilet for them, for example instead of changing toilets to mixed they should just build them another? Even clothing John Lewis gender neutral- why? If your dd wants to wear a train top just buy it? Why do we need to remove labels. I sometimes buy my dd paw patrol ‘boy’ nighties I don’t need to cry if I had to go down to the boy aisle for it.

I feel like the world is going mad

Apparently in schools there are a lot of kids now saying they have no gender- surely this is a phase if 20 years ago this wasn’t happening???

If you’re so uncomfortable OP how about you use the disabled toilets? I’m sure the reason that you’re an ignorant tool will be good enough for any disabled people inconvenienced by you taking up their toilet.

I give up. It’s like trying to teach a cat to bark.

I certainly don't want someone with a penis in the ladies loos with me but equally I don't want that person being laughed at in the men's.

Well them men shouldn't laugh at transwomen in the toilets then, should they? Problem solved.

^ my point exactly
And it’s the same in work places, who wants to have a private moment with all the men in the office around at the same time

TooManyPaws I've seen that before and it seems nice, but with the way it's cropped leaves a lot of unanswered questions - if that is on a toilet door, I hope it's actually an accessible toilet and that they haven't added that onto a non-accessible one just to look more inclusive as that could cause issues and if that's on the only or very few accessible toilets, that could cause other issues. It's a fun laugh, but sometimes ignoring that different people have different needs means those in the most need end up screwed over for other people's jokes.

If it’s no available and there’s a disabled one they can use that

No they can't, because they aren't disabled.

Don’t see the big deal with using disabled if really obese people do, people with pushchairs, people who generally want to go for a no2

Are you fucking serious? You don't see the big deal? Really?

Don’t see the big deal with using disabled if really obese people do, people with pushchairs, people who generally want to go for a no2

Just because all these types of people are using disabled toilets doesn't make it right. Clearly you're not someone who needs to use one or you wouldn't be so dismissive of people who shouldn't be using other loos using them

In your OP you've literally just explained why some shops are deciding to just get rid of the boys and girls sections and just having one big children's clothing section- because sometimes girls like football and sometimes boys like princesses.
As for having trans people in public bathrooms, a trans person is more likely to be assaulted in a bathroom than to assault another person.
You aren't being unreasonable to not understand or be fully educated about gender, but are being unreasonable to be bothered by it. From your post it doesn't seem like any of this is affecting you in any way, so why care?

I completely feel for the trans people
But I don’t mind a trans person in my toilet

What I’m trying to explain is I don’t want men who are not trans in my toilet
It also makes it easier for a paedophile to watch young girls if eg in a shopping centre. There’s loads of reasons against this.

I feel that it’s a shame to create this change instead of an alternative which would be to create another toilet which is mixed... instead of changing the existing single gender mixed

A paedophile can watch a child in a single sex toilet as well though? I don't understand that point at all

My issue isn’t with trans people ffs
It’s with me and my daughters feeling uncomfortable and especially in the future when there’s even more changes when my daughters go to the toilet and any stalker boy can be in there, especially when they hit uni as unis already have started this. Or when there’s fights in clubs in the men’s toilets and poor girls are standing there stuck in it all. Or if my daughters at this age and there’s a peado we don’t know about in the toilet.
I just think the majority are being deeply effected because of the minority. It just seems so excessive and I’m sure there’s alternative ways to make the non gender trans people feel comfortable without effecting others

I understand that women may feel vulnerable sharing public toilets with men, however this is very common abroad with no statistics to say it is any more dangerous.
Also, if someone has anxiety about sharing toilets with other people, maybe they should be the ones using the accessible toilets and not the trans people

If you have a penis, you use the men's toilets. It's not rocket science.

A paedophile can watch a child in a single sex toilet as well though? I don't understand that point at all

Yes a same sex man can watch a little boy but a man cannot watch my daughter eg in a single sex toilet, or stalker boys or men who will go in and rape. There was a case near where I live where a 3 year old child was followed in the toilet and raped ...

I also think that perhaps a way around this would be toilet attendants? Like they do in lots of toilets in clubs, rather than building an entire new block of toilets for another group of people

Also, if someone has anxiety about sharing toilets with other people, maybe they should be the ones using the accessible toilets and not the trans people

So a woman who doesn't want to share her female toilet with a male bodied person is the one 'with the problem' and should go elsewhere?

But misogynistic that, isn't it?

I get it op. There are definitely more positives than negatives for gender neutral toilets (imo).

It doesn’t really solve a problem for people who identify as trans, does it? The same people are using the toilets, the only thing different is the sign on the door. Where as an already vulnerable man/ women who has suffered abuse, teenage girls who are starting their periods/ people with bowel disorders might find this really intimidating.

I’m sure there are people who identify as trans/ gender fluid that don’t feel much comfort from this situation either, I can’t imagine hearing the rattling of feminine monthly’s helps someone who desperately wishes they could go through that.

You know?
Why do people suddenly think this is positive for all?

I meant more negatives than positives (I’m so tired!)

If the reason that transwomen have to use the women's is because they will get beaten up or whatever in the men's, then gender neutral toilets isn't going to solve that is it?

@CrazyCatNerd some trans people will have a disability which requires them to use a disabled toilet. A disabled person still has a gender and their own sexuality.

(All this intersectionality and the resulting labelling is going to make every bodies head explode.)

Jellybeansincognito
exactly... the reasons you have listed is probably why gender specific toilets were invented in the first place too. Thank goodness my daughter will be at a all girls school as I’d hate for boys to be in the toilet

It kind of does help to solve the main problem that trans people have to go through when using a public toilet.
Trans people have been beaten up for going in the "wrong" toilet because they're not men enough for the men's or women's enough for the women's.

So women have to go through the discomfort of sharing a toilet with men, so that trans people aren't uncomfortable? Why do women have to budge over?

Also what about religion? Muslim women for example, they’re not really allowed to talk to men or be seen by men. I often see women adjust their head dress in the toilets, this would become difficult if men were in there too.

blackpool can you back that statement up about other countries? Only someone tried to make that claim on another thread, couldn’t back it up, and several people who had lived and travelled extensively said that that wasn’t their experience at all.

I think that perhaps the OP is conflating disabled loos with accessible loos which are often touted as being for all and sundry.

The real thing is that men need to learn to stop being dicks to gender non-conforming men, but no-one seems to want to take men to task on that one so, as always, men’s bad behaviour has become a problem for women to solve.

The schools thing is just fucking awful in every regard which is one reason why I am desperate to get DD into a girls’ school.