To not understand this whole non gender thing?

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What is going on? In the nicest way possible

Why are so many toilets becoming mixed gender. Many women would feel uncomfortable and vulnerable sitting on a toilet with a man outside who could peep over. It probably wouldn’t happen but in a pub for example when people are drunk it still could and for someone who has been through abuse it can be intimidating.

I just don’t understand why the tiny minority of trans etc cannot use disabled IF there is extra toilet for them, for example instead of changing toilets to mixed they should just build them another? Even clothing John Lewis gender neutral- why? If your dd wants to wear a train top just buy it? Why do we need to remove labels. I sometimes buy my dd paw patrol ‘boy’ nighties I don’t need to cry if I had to go down to the boy aisle for it.

I feel like the world is going mad

Apparently in schools there are a lot of kids now saying they have no gender- surely this is a phase if 20 years ago this wasn’t happening???

Unisex facilities generate more sexual assaults, voyeurism and harassment than single sex ones.

Our foremothers had to fight for woman only spaces and I flatly refuse to agree that men are or can be women, or that male bodied people have a right to use spaces segregated by sex for women's safety, dignity and privacy.

All the aid agencies prioritize women only areas for washing and toileting. If it's that important in the third world I can't see there's any justification for asking women here to give away our spaces

The misogyny in gender ideology couldn't be more blatant. And it's so regressive, with its 1950s stereotypes.

Genderists believe a woman can have any body with a "womanly" personality woman is someone with any personality and a female body.

The last line should have read:

Genderists believe a woman can have any body with a "womanly" personality, whereas in fact a woman is someone with any personality and a female body.

Sorry about that.

So if these people were in the women's bathroom then you'd all be cool because they were born women?

I couldn't care less where transmen choose to pee - as far as I know, transmen arent' a danger as a group, they should pee wherever they feel comfortable.

It's men and tranwomen who I don't want in places were I am vulnerable with me, as they (as a group) as a risk to women.

We're not just talking abotu toilets. It's anywhere women are vulnerable e.g. where we sleep, get naked or are unwell.

e.g. hospital wards, hostels, changing rooms, rape crisis centres, DV refuges, prisons etc etc

98% of sex crime is committed by males. The removal of single sex spaces is inviting rape and voyeurism.

There are whole websites and sections on porn sites dedicated to hidden cam pictures of women in toilets.

There have already been reports of transwomen assaulting women and girls in spaces that were previously single sex - and they will just be the tip of the iceberg given the very low reporting and conviction rates.

Rape and sexual abuse on mixed wards in hospitals is a huge issue.

I can't believe we're even having this conversation, I'm sick of it tbh.

I thought we all accepted men (as a group) are a risk to women and children. It's very well evidenced.

So why have we thrown all that out of the window as soon as a man says he feels like a woman?

It's bollocks. Everyone knows it is, even the TWAW people, deep down. If they really believed it they wouldn't have to keep indoctrinating themselves with the mantras, would they?

A separate 'trans' toilet would be outing to people who don't want to announce to the world that they are part of a group that are often a target for abuse and bullying when they go to the bathroom.

It wouldn't have to be a trans room, it could just be a third unisex room.

Problem is it might not be possible to have a third room. If no matter what you do, someone will be at risk then I think it becomes a numbers game. Since there are so many more of the XX-chromosomed than there are trans people, then in an either/or you'd have to favour the option that makes the former group more safe even if that comes at the expense of the latter group. Probly best to keep an XX-only room in otherwords.

But ideally there would be XX, XY and mixed rooms.

If TW really were W they would be subject to public ridicule and pretty much ignored. Not lauded and given slots on TV, radio, press, ambassador roles, and given platforms to spout their guff. Just like trans men - oh hang on...

Separate by sex. Separate by gender? You may as well separate by those who like cheese and those who don’t.

Also it makes no sense to say have them all unisex and you'd queue less. The reason men queue less is because they all go and stand at an urinal and they're in and out in less than a minute most of them don't even wash their hands. Make them all unisex and enclosed and there will be a lot less toilets for the floor space so everybody will have to queue more.

Yy, MenstruatorExtraordinaire. You wonder why anyone would need this pointing out to them, it’s so blindingly obvious. And yet...

The way to reduce queues is to change the way toilet space is allocated to reflect the fact that it takes women longer in the toilets because we can’t pee standing up at urinals, we may have menstrual needs to attend to as well, and we are more likely to have small children with us than men are.

Currently, men’s and women’s loos are given equal floor space. It would be far more equitable to simply increase the amount of floor space for women’s loos and decrease the amount for men’s. You don’t need as many cubicles in the men’s because you’ve got urinals, which take up much less space.

It’s not rocket science when you think about it. The traditional way of doing things are is just a reflection of how male-dominated, male-designed public space disadvantages women in general, because our specific needs aren't taken as a starting point. Things are designed for and around men, because male is the default human, the starting point. Caroline Criado Perez has just written a book about all this, hasn’t she.

Why do people keep mentioning gender?

Traditionally, toilets have been single-sex. What on earth would be the point in segregating via gender?

Re. the 'gender neutral' clothing, the whole concept would have been completely unnecessary were it not for someone's ridiculous marketing ploy that 'pink is for girls; blue is for boys'. No, it's not. And this has got infinitely worse over the last decade, as a trip down the aisles of your nearest toy store will easily testify. The girls' aisles look like an explosion in a sugared almond factory. The boys' look just as children's toys have always looked: mainly bright, primary colours.

If these mad binary distinctions hadn't been made in the first place there'd be no need to differentiate using the 'gender neutral' label. This kind of clothing is what it's always been: unisex. But that word lacks political connotations and doesn't get people nearly so hot under the collar.

Me, I've never bought into the daft pink/blue stereotype in the first place. Alice Roberts was bang on the money with her objections to pinkification (and no, it's NOT a natural, given 'norm' that 'all little girls like pink')!

Men should wear their heels and dresses with pride and pee standing up next to their peers who should be charged with the handy new hate crime legislation if they have any concerns.

Humans cannot change sex. Women are entitled, by the equality act, to single sex spaces. The Y chromosome does not and will never belong in the Ladies.

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/men-should-accept-trans-women-in-changing-rooms-mg2b8vnd3?shareToken=d4e8feb7233c5cb7c494077628367857
If trans women are afraid of being assaulted by men, and women are afraid of being assaulted by men, then education needs to happen around men.

Men should wear their heels and dresses with pride

Absolutely agree. Instead of pretending anyone thinks they've changed sex.

We didn’t in the 70s ffs

Humans getting dumber as social media usage increases? Hmmmm there’s a doctorate in there somewhere.

I 100% agree with you x

It seems like most of us feel the same, we feel for the trans group but it’s not fair for us to change our space or rights for a group- an alternative should be provided for them. I guess what someone said before about speaking up/ complaining where it’s required is the best way forward