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Some vegans say it's wrong to keep pets

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learieonthewildmoor · 09/05/2019 18:32

I have been thinking about the ethics of keeping pets. (I saw on the PETA website we shouldn't use animals for entertainment. No more cute cat videos on YouTube then?) People love their pets. How can it be wrong?

Sometimes when my cat is sleeping, I think "Now is the time for me to gallop across the bed, making a graceful leap over him", like he does at 4 o'clock in the morning. However, I never do.
He comes to the door whenever I come home, and though I pretend to myself he's welcoming me back; I suspect he is really looking to see if he can escape out onto the driveway. When he does make a mad dash out onto the driveway, he then lies down purring whereupon I pick him up and carry him back in.
I keep a chair next to my computer because he likes to sit next to me. Pretty much every day he sits on my computer mouse until I get up and let him sit in my chair. Then I pick him up and put him on his chair and he goes to sleep.
When he sees me carrying a coffee cup up the stairs, he runs ahead of me and jumps out at my ankles. Only when I'm carrying a coffee cup.
He has a dozen toys but much prefers to bring in leaves and gum nuts which he then puts in my shoes for safe keeping.
He won't eat raw meat so we buy a super expensive dry cat food for his teeth and gums. He hates tablets so we buy the super expensive worm and flea liquid treatment.
I send photos of him to my husband when he is at work. There one million photos of the cat sleeping on our iCloud.

We got him as a rescue kitten and I can't help feeling he's having a better life with us; rather than as a feral animal full of worms and fleas with no safe territory, or euthanised. We get the pleasure of living with him, he gets a good life - it seems like a perfectly ethical arrangement.
I wonder if vegans are being a bit too self-denying and overly rigorous?

Another day I want to talk about the vegan attitude to cheese.

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ZippyBungleandGeorge · 09/05/2019 18:35

DHs cousin is a militant vegan and has dogs, they are from a rescue shelter. I think her view is that she's rescued them, age also has some chickens that are former battery herbs that she's changed from scrawny and losing feathers to pump and healthy. She clearly doesn't agree with this perspective

ZippyBungleandGeorge · 09/05/2019 18:35

Ugh typos you get the idea I'm sure

BogglesGoggles · 09/05/2019 18:37

I do see how it’s a bit exploitative to keep animals for our own pleasure but that’s what they were bred for. They literally have no other purpose so crack on (can you tell I’m not a vegan?)

FudgeBrownie2019 · 09/05/2019 18:39

If they're going down that route, isn't it unkind to keep your DC cooped up in schools and homes? It's time all the dogs, cats, rabbits, teenagers, 6 year olds and budgies were released into the wilds and allowed to be free? Fend for yourselves, children, find your own food in the forests of Warwickshire from now on.

Ridiculous. Our dogs have the best lives ever. The oldest one had a bad stomach today so DH made her rice and chicken for her tea, and hand fed her, kissing her on the noggin between mouthfuls because he's so worried she's unhappy. I genuinely suspect he loves her more than he loves the DC some days. She'd never be this happy in the mountains. And there's nothing even wrong with her; the vet took a look today and says she's fit as a fiddle and probably just enjoying the fact that she has humans stupid enough to do that for her lunch.

FudgeBrownie2019 · 09/05/2019 18:40

Also, I'm a vegetarian and all of our animals are rescues and other people's cast-offs, so I feel totally fine in taking videos of the spaniel on the trampoline every so often.

goingonabearhunt1 · 09/05/2019 18:40

If they're rescues as well, they haven't been bred especially for your entertainment if that makes sense, it's an animal that already exists that you are giving a nice home to.

But yeah I think if you're strict vegan it's not using animals in any way so no horse-riding, no zoos, no pets etc. Obv people have different levels of strictness though.

RottnestFerry · 09/05/2019 18:41

Presumably, if your cat doesn't like the way you are treating him, he can leave. His decision.

That's how I got my last cat. He didn't like where he lived previously, so left.

SneakyGremlins · 09/05/2019 18:41

I mean according to my neighbour who gave me my kitten at 9PM as I was getting into bed two years ago they were from a farm and would have been, shall we say, disposed of if we hadn't each taken one in...

Basecamp65 · 09/05/2019 18:43

I think it is about seeing animals as serving us - there for our entertainment and use.

I fully understand their point of view and have some sympathy for it but I do not agree with it.

I am vegetarian - not vegan - and do have pets. I to some degree think they are right ethically but practically the horse has bolted and there are all these domesticated animals that need caring for.

The same with Zoo's - in an ideal world we would not have them but until we can protect species in the wild they are a necessary evil.

Dontsweatthelittlestuff · 09/05/2019 18:44

I have cats. Three of the furry little beasts. They have a cat flap so can come and go as they wish. They always choose to come home. Maybe because i feed them well. Give them lots of attention, move over in bed to make room for them, Spend a small fortune at the vets when needed, buy them toys and play with them.

They might be my pets but as they are not locked in they are making the choice to remain.

AtSea1979 · 09/05/2019 18:44

Have you been to an animal shelter? Of course breeding animals for pets then disregarding them weeks later when the reality sets in is cruel no matter which way you look at it and I have several pets.

ATowelAndAPotato · 09/05/2019 18:44

I always thought it was also about what they are fed. I.E. most cats and dogs are fed on processed pet food, and so other animals have died to feed your pet, etc. But I may be wrong on that?

CuriousaboutSamphire · 09/05/2019 18:45

Setting the fact that you looked to PETA for advice...

Why do vegans, or any other group, get to have the final word on a subject?

If you are vegan you make vegan choices based on your own beliefs.

I am not. I like having a pet. I treat them well, I don't really care what PETA think about it.

Just as PETA don't care what can prove they lie, fabricate evidence. I am but one voice... they are but one animal rights group.

ReganSomerset · 09/05/2019 18:46

I'd say more people care for pets improperly than those who do it properly. Look at rabbits. How many are kept in tiny hutches, alone without other rabbits, because people either don't know the guidance or just don't care? How many dogs are left alone for eight or more hours every day? How many cats are kept indoors throughout their entire lives, wistfully staring out of a window? In the wild, would puppies leave their mother at eight weeks? How many pets are rehomed when they become inconvenient?

Of course keeping pets is exploitative. Some are well cared for but I'd be willing to bet they're in the minority. Whether there is a better solution is another matter entirely.

SaskiaRembrandt · 09/05/2019 18:46

I've seen this argued, but it's silly. The animals we keep as pets have been domesticated over 1000s of years to live with humans. They wouldn't survive if they were wild because they aren't wild animals. And the average cat or dog would hate to live like a wild animal just as much as the average human would hate to live in a cave and hunt for their dinner.

My cat likes cat food, comfy beds, central heating and watching the television. She's an indoor cat who has no interest in going outside and would be terrified if I tried to make her.

OnlyRealButterWillDo · 09/05/2019 18:46

Pfft! My cat chose to come live with me. She's allowed outside so if she felt like she was being used for my entertainment then she would simply just f*

TSSDNCOP · 09/05/2019 18:49

Thanks Op.

sweetkitty · 09/05/2019 18:50

I’m a vegan and have pets most are rescues. Don’t agree with most of PETAs stuff either.

I don’t agree with people continually breeding their cat calling the kittens rag doll crosses and charging £300 a pop for them when rescues are bursting with unwanted kittens. Where there’s money to be made animals (and humans) are always going to be exploited.

InspectorClouseauMNdivision · 09/05/2019 18:52

Well. Peta also nickedanimals so they could put them down🤷‍♀️
So Peta can go f*k themselves

But I agree with you. Majority of people love their pets and working animals. My pet eats better quality food than I do😂, has a bigger house)(body to soace ratio) and gets more cuddles from my husband than I do...

However, if someone thinks it is wrong to keep animal at home, they are obviously entitled to that opinion and can live by it. But they shouldn't push it on others. Unless we are talking like tigers nad similar....

1tisILeClerc · 09/05/2019 18:53

{and so other animals have died to feed your pet}

My cat eats rabbits, birds and mice. The world is a cruel place but as long as there is no deliberate suffering it is OK.
Killing animals to make way for humans is wrong of course.

ReganSomerset · 09/05/2019 18:53

@sweetkitty

Agree. It should be illegal to profit from the sale of a pet. And cruelty to pets ought to carry very stiff penalties.

Allhailthesun · 09/05/2019 18:54

To be fair even if you eat only vegetables, animals will have died - from protecting the crop to the acres of cultivation and destroyed habitat.

Twolargewatersplease · 09/05/2019 18:56

For a lot of vegans its the over breeding, poor breeding, intensive breed selection and the subsequent abandoning of animals and/or having animals without thinknig about the long-term commitments, not being able to afford them etc.

I'm a vegan. All animals I've had have been rescues and I haven't ever met another vegan who thought it was wrong to adopt pets. There's the argument that if vegans/AR activists/societies all stopped, perhaps breeding and irresponsible ownership would be less of an issue but who knows.

Dontsweatthelittlestuff · 09/05/2019 18:56

Last year one of my cats went missing. 8 weeks later he was found on a farm about 25 miles away (we think he had got into a van or car and bolted or was thrown out of it when found). He was very sick when we got him back, he was anemic, had a infection and was nothing but a bag of bones. The vet said without treatment he wouldn’t have survived much longer. As it is he had to have his tail amputated and is now fiv positive.
He is a domesticated animal and not equipped to survive on his own.

sleepingdragon · 09/05/2019 19:07

Op you mention cute cat videos, are you aware how many of these videos are made by animals who are are kept in awful conditions and abused or drugged to train them to do the cute things? There are loads of documented cases, the article below talked about some of them then applies it to the argument that some vegans make about how we have conditioned ourselves to be blind to some animal suffering while caring so passionately about others.
E.g.
www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/oct/30/animal-stars-viral-videos-abuse-online-cruelty