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Some vegans say it's wrong to keep pets

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learieonthewildmoor · 09/05/2019 18:32

I have been thinking about the ethics of keeping pets. (I saw on the PETA website we shouldn't use animals for entertainment. No more cute cat videos on YouTube then?) People love their pets. How can it be wrong?

Sometimes when my cat is sleeping, I think "Now is the time for me to gallop across the bed, making a graceful leap over him", like he does at 4 o'clock in the morning. However, I never do.
He comes to the door whenever I come home, and though I pretend to myself he's welcoming me back; I suspect he is really looking to see if he can escape out onto the driveway. When he does make a mad dash out onto the driveway, he then lies down purring whereupon I pick him up and carry him back in.
I keep a chair next to my computer because he likes to sit next to me. Pretty much every day he sits on my computer mouse until I get up and let him sit in my chair. Then I pick him up and put him on his chair and he goes to sleep.
When he sees me carrying a coffee cup up the stairs, he runs ahead of me and jumps out at my ankles. Only when I'm carrying a coffee cup.
He has a dozen toys but much prefers to bring in leaves and gum nuts which he then puts in my shoes for safe keeping.
He won't eat raw meat so we buy a super expensive dry cat food for his teeth and gums. He hates tablets so we buy the super expensive worm and flea liquid treatment.
I send photos of him to my husband when he is at work. There one million photos of the cat sleeping on our iCloud.

We got him as a rescue kitten and I can't help feeling he's having a better life with us; rather than as a feral animal full of worms and fleas with no safe territory, or euthanised. We get the pleasure of living with him, he gets a good life - it seems like a perfectly ethical arrangement.
I wonder if vegans are being a bit too self-denying and overly rigorous?

Another day I want to talk about the vegan attitude to cheese.

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NunoGoncalves · 09/05/2019 20:33

I assumed the perspective stems from the fact that the pet industry as a whole is probably exploitative and subjects animals to abuse in general. So if there were no demand for pets, then there would be no abusive pet industry.

Given that, the great lives that some individual pets lead (such as yours, OP) is irrelevant.

Jebuschristchocolatebar · 09/05/2019 20:36

I reckon you’re alright to keep a pet as long as you don’t eat them Grin

HeckyPeck · 09/05/2019 20:43

It’s animal rights activists that gave a problem with pets. Not vegans per se.

Agreed.

mumwon · 09/05/2019 20:45

cats have servants - dogs have playmates & order you to do walks - hamsters also have servants & run of the house (even when they are kept in a cage :) ) & tell you when they need (want) more (& even more) food (to hide & show us how to do Brexit storage) if we didn't have herds of cattle or sheep they would probably be extinct (along with many other animals) nothing wrong with choosing a diet for yourself but as an omnivore (my eyes point forward like carnivores not each side of my head like herbivores, I have short intestines - like carnivores- & mixed meat vegetarian teeth - being omnivores means we are adaptable )

bigbadbadger · 09/05/2019 20:50

All the evolutionary evidence suggests humans, dogs and cats evolved together. A cat meows only to humans, not to other cats. It's mew is the same pitch and frequency as a new born baby, it cannot be a coincidence. People need to educate themselves. We are animals, we all evolved and developed together, it is more complex than a master servant relationship.

DaisyDreaming · 09/05/2019 20:57

Don’t follow what peta say! They are full of bonkers ideas and would also happily put your cat down saying it’s in the cats interest!

HappybutsometimesGrouchy · 09/05/2019 20:59

I see my dog as one of my family members. In fact I often call her 'baby' 😳 she has 3 beds (but chooses to use our bed), gets fed twice a day with top quality food, gets exercised every day, has more toys than I can count. When she's sick or in pain I take her to the vets to make her better. Can someone please explain to me in layman's terms (because obviously I am simple and can't grasp the problem) how I am exploiting her? Genuine question!

NunoGoncalves · 09/05/2019 21:02

Can someone please explain to me in layman's terms (because obviously I am simple and can't grasp the problem) how I am exploiting her? Genuine question

Read my post 6 posts above yours

DontCallMeShitley · 09/05/2019 21:05

And the vegans that feed their cats vegan cat food?

I have no problem with vegans, if they aren't stark raving bonkers or trying to force their opinions on others. I am vegetarian, and I have pets that would otherwise have been abandoned to fend for themselves, and in fact had been. They could have left if they wished.

I do know someone who thinks it is cruel to keep animals in cages and I can see the reasoning in that but where to draw the line? Domesticated small creatures that would be prey for other creatures, do we let the hamster free to be dinner or keep him in the biggest cage we can find and feed him, love him and cater for all his little needs?

GrumpyMiddleAgedWoman · 09/05/2019 21:07

and almost all the comments are from vegans who think it's fine to keep rescue aninals as pets.
But what about breeding more? Because if it's only rescue animals that it's okay to own, then we're going to run out of pets in short order.

the fact that many animals have to die to feed your precious dogs and cats.
I reckon that depends on what goes into the food. We do some home butchery and take it from me, what goes into the freezer bags for the dogs is NOT stuff your average human would fancy consuming (no, not even in sausages, because we make them, too). People in very marginal circumstances manage to keep enough of their dogs and cats alive to produce the next generation: the cats eat mice and rats round the stored crops, and the dogs eat the bits of carcasses that the humans can't face, and the gone-off porridge, and the carrot peelings...

Ultimately, animal rights types e.g. PETA consider pet ownership unethical (unless the animals are rescues) and the production of more pets also unethical. But given the stuff PETA gets up to - the euthanising of healthy dogs and cats and the utter bullshit videos they produce - I'm not about to take their advice on moral or philosophical issues.

Squigglesworth · 09/05/2019 21:07

Meh, they're free to think that if they like, just as I'm free to think they're flat-out wrong (and stupid to boot). My dogs have good lives, and I'm convinced that they're happy and enjoy their interactions with their human family.

They will most likely live longer, healthier lives with us than they would have had as wild animals-- and honestly, what's the alternative? Let dogs go extinct? Turn them out into the wild (where many will suffer and die miserably, since they've been bred into domesticity and are ill-equipped to survive on their own)?

I feel no shame or guilt that my owning of pets props up the "pet industry".

HappybutsometimesGrouchy · 09/05/2019 21:08

So are you saying if people stopped buying pets then there wouldn't be a demand for them, therefore breeders would stop breeding (and thus over breeding)?

HappybutsometimesGrouchy · 09/05/2019 21:09

Sorry my question was to Nuno. Can't keep up with the thread!

Langrish · 09/05/2019 21:10

Only vegan I know has a dog. Gives it vegan dog food.

Peacocking · 09/05/2019 21:15

I'm not a vegan or a vegetarian. I have a LOT of rescue pets. Cats, dogs, poultry etc. I strongly believe that anyone keeping a carnivorous pet has no right to call themselves vegan. They pay for animals to he brought up and to be killed to feed their hobby and an animal whose life they clearly see as more worthy than the many many dead animals they've paid money for to feed to their pet. Keep as many meat eating pets as you like - but dont boast that you're a vegan. You're not.

DilliDingDillyDong · 09/05/2019 21:18

Some pets say it's wrong to keep vegans.

Gth1234 · 09/05/2019 21:18

yes, they would, wouldn't they?

NunoGoncalves · 09/05/2019 21:20

So are you saying if people stopped buying pets then there wouldn't be a demand for them, therefore breeders would stop breeding (and thus over breeding)?

I'm saying that's the rationale behind it for most people who are anti-pets (I think!).

HeckyPeck · 09/05/2019 21:20

Some pets say it's wrong to keep vegans.

😂Grin

AvocadosBeforeMortgages · 09/05/2019 21:22

I once had a lodger who had a (frankly unexpected) girlfriend who I never met due to her beliefs.

Apparently she considered pet ownership to be a form of slavery. My response was that I take PestDog to the park every day and try to set him free, but he just keeps following me home.

Perhaps the dog has Stockholm Syndrome?

Bookworm4 · 09/05/2019 21:44

I wouldn't hold PETA up as a model of virtue. They euthanise the highest volume of shelter animals in the States every year, they support euthanising all bull breed dogs, they fund euthanising feral cat colonies. They aren't animal lovers.

Hithere12 · 09/05/2019 21:45

Only vegan I know has a dog. Gives it vegan dog food

Hmm well he’s a moron and should not be keeping a dog. Dogs aren’t vegan animals.

BertrandRussell · 09/05/2019 21:54

Dogs can happily be vegetarian/ vegan. Cats can’t.

Hithere12 · 09/05/2019 22:01

Dogs can happily be vegetarian/ vegan. Cats can’t

Yes and people CAN also live on a diet purely of crisps/chocolate/soda. It doesn’t mean they should. It is absolutely NOT an optimal diet for a dog. It’s selfish and cruel to put a dog on a vegan diet because of your beliefs.

I was a vegetarian and was planning on getting a dog and feeding it a vegan diet and did a lot of research. All the information which didn’t come from a biased source showed it was absolutely not a good diet for a dog.

AvocadosBeforeMortgages · 09/05/2019 22:05

When you start reading things like this about PETA, you start to see things in a rather different light...

m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_59e78243e4b0e60c4aa36711/amp?_guc_consent_skip=1557435859

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