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Some vegans say it's wrong to keep pets

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learieonthewildmoor · 09/05/2019 18:32

I have been thinking about the ethics of keeping pets. (I saw on the PETA website we shouldn't use animals for entertainment. No more cute cat videos on YouTube then?) People love their pets. How can it be wrong?

Sometimes when my cat is sleeping, I think "Now is the time for me to gallop across the bed, making a graceful leap over him", like he does at 4 o'clock in the morning. However, I never do.
He comes to the door whenever I come home, and though I pretend to myself he's welcoming me back; I suspect he is really looking to see if he can escape out onto the driveway. When he does make a mad dash out onto the driveway, he then lies down purring whereupon I pick him up and carry him back in.
I keep a chair next to my computer because he likes to sit next to me. Pretty much every day he sits on my computer mouse until I get up and let him sit in my chair. Then I pick him up and put him on his chair and he goes to sleep.
When he sees me carrying a coffee cup up the stairs, he runs ahead of me and jumps out at my ankles. Only when I'm carrying a coffee cup.
He has a dozen toys but much prefers to bring in leaves and gum nuts which he then puts in my shoes for safe keeping.
He won't eat raw meat so we buy a super expensive dry cat food for his teeth and gums. He hates tablets so we buy the super expensive worm and flea liquid treatment.
I send photos of him to my husband when he is at work. There one million photos of the cat sleeping on our iCloud.

We got him as a rescue kitten and I can't help feeling he's having a better life with us; rather than as a feral animal full of worms and fleas with no safe territory, or euthanised. We get the pleasure of living with him, he gets a good life - it seems like a perfectly ethical arrangement.
I wonder if vegans are being a bit too self-denying and overly rigorous?

Another day I want to talk about the vegan attitude to cheese.

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noodlenosefraggle · 11/05/2019 17:57

She was my best friend from school. She was always an animal lover, but got more and more radical to the point that we just had nothing in common and I was tired of constantly being lectured about the evils of eating meat/ dairy/animal cruelty/ the environment etc So yes, I think by the end, it was a relief Grin

alessandrae83 · 11/05/2019 18:22

Haven't read all comments but I think people that think that way are being ridiculous. It's not really going very well for Romania etc having dogs free to do as they please is it? Domesticated animals need us to look after them. Has nothing to do with entertainment for me.

GrumpyMiddleAgedWoman · 14/05/2019 20:29

I'm going to regret asking this, but what have Nestle done? Do I have to give up aeros???
Nestle market baby formula in deeply dodgy ways in developing countries. I gave up Aeros a long time ago as a result and I still miss them...!

darkskyclearing · 14/05/2019 20:38

Ok, not got time to read all thread.

first point = your rescue cat is presumable a victim of the pet trade. Most vegans would not have a problem with rescuing an animal.

There are many problems with the pet trade. And no, saying 'but my cat/dog has a great life is a not an argument in favour of the pet trade.
It is a trade and animals are the stock. That means that there are many producers of pets who keep their animals in terrible conditions - as they stock and profit rather than living creatures with rights of their own. We have all heard of the appalling puppy farms - but i have several friends who have bought their pets from small traders working from family homes and who have described the appalling conditions the animals were kept in - including a cupboard door falling open to reveal cage upon cage of animal - door quickly shut again by the seller. They also described how distressing the separating of the kitten from the mother was.

Then of course there are the inbred defects of pedigrees causing all sorts of pain and distress, pugs who can't breathe properly, dogs who inevitably get hip and back defects as they age and so on.

Then there's the fact that many people think about how to get their pet to fit in with their lifestyle - many don't even consider the natural evolved needs of their animal. Cats kept in the still dead environment of a flat when they need active living surroundings as they are hunters - dogs which we have bred to crave human company left alone all day.
Some dogs suffer great distress at the repeated separation of their owner. Social animals like rabbits kept in solitary cages. it goes on and on.

And that's all without even talking about the exotic pet trade.

there are very clear ethical arguments against the pet trade.

darkskyclearing · 14/05/2019 20:49

And all the 'oh they couldn't survive in the wild - they NEEED MEEE' arguments dont' hold water either.

These animals only exist because you (and people like you) have created a demand for them, due for your desire for a pet, that the market of the pet trade is meeting.

The pet trade is not about animals needs - its about humans desire for pets.

darkskyclearing · 14/05/2019 20:53

And the poster who argued about it being ok for her dog to be left alone all day by saying 'what do you expect me to do - give up my job?' Kinda proves my point. That point being that the pet industry is all about meeting human wants at the expense of the animals needs. It had clearly never occurred to that poster to think about what her pet needed, and then to conclude that if she couldn't meet that need then she just shouldn't get the pet. Nope, instead she wanted the pet and the pet had to fit into her lifestyle, regardless of the cost to itself.

Most people won't bother researching what the needs of their desired pet is, what its nature and evolved behaviour is. Because its not about the animal - its about them.

MintyCedric · 14/05/2019 20:58

I think my cat would beg to differ Grin

Some vegans say it's wrong to keep pets
FishCanFly · 14/05/2019 21:06

Anything to do with PETA gives me rage. And vegans aren't the type of people you can have a reasonable discussion with. There are, of course, many wrongs with the "pet industry" but nothing can shame me into not having cats

WiddlinDiddlin · 14/05/2019 21:50

PETA are raving lunatics.

Vegans vary just like anyone else, from perfectly normal people to window-licking crazies and everything in between.

I have had many a reasonable discussion with a vegan person, but thats not a popular opinion here where vegans are next to trans people as being the work of the devil...

Still lets not let common sense from getting in the way of judging every minority group of any kind by the loudest most extreme examples eh..

mrslupin · 15/05/2019 21:59

My dog is my absolute world. He has very good quality food (he eats better than I do) has more toys than some children (I don't have any children), the best pet insurance on the market and full vaccinations & preventative treatment, lots of exercise, a beautiful safe home and garden. Mr Lupin and I are totally devoted to him. I can leave my front door open and he will not make any attempt leave neither does he when he is off the lead. I am sure he feels very exploited with all this and whilst we are there picking up his poo!

noodlenosefraggle · 15/05/2019 22:29

The thing is, if everyone was vegan and no one owned pets, what would happen? We'd have no cows, sheep, pigs, chickens or any animals kept as pets. There would be no need for them. They wouldn't just be running wild. For a start, they'd eat all the crops that we'd need to feed the population. It's unlikely this would happen, so surely a reasoned campaign to encourage ethical farming, eating less meat and responsible pet ownership is more realistic? If I've got the right idea from pp, PETA's case is that its better that animals didn't exist than they were used for human purposes.

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