To have lost all respect for PIL

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Please help I really don't know whether I am being over the top about this. Sorry it's so long...

I am 6 months pregnant so maybe hormones are having an impact on this I don't know.

I have been with DP for 6 years. He is five years older than me. His parents are different to mine which is fine. They just have very different political beliefs. As I do to them. My family have always been very left wing. His family are quite strongly right wing. For example they are extremely pro brexit and openly disapproving about a lot of immigrants. I've always found this difficult to hear however I have tried to build relationships on the basis that they are DPs family and we are all entitled to our own views.

The problem comes from this.

I have recently found out that PIL grow weed in their home and sell it. Have been doing so for at least a few years. This has stressed me out but I do not know if I'm overreacting or not.

Their reasons for this is that they were making a loss on a few buy to let flats they have in a nearby town and were worried about their pension pot - I find this irritating as they aren't hard up and they aren't exactly on the breadline even if they aren't minted

They are cruel when they speak people on benefits but I find this hypocritical since they are essentially cheating the tax system

The problem is they have such a close relationship with BILs children and have helped with raising them loads but I just feel like I don't want them involved loads as I don't trust their judgment and I don't want my child exposed to risky environments.

Am I awful? I don't know please help

Sorry but people who have anything to do with drugs are the scum of the earth. I'd report them. And take pleasure in doing so.

Do they sell to anyone or just their friends-i thinik there was a case where an older man was selling to his local friends for their aches and pains and didnt get done for it

Regardless it is up to you if u want your children round that

So it could be assumed they are growing this on quite a large scale.

I would shop them to the police and have no compunctions about doing so; what they are doing is illegal. What people also forget is that cannabis is a class B drug and possession with intent to supply is not something the police take at all lightly.

Would you be willing to talk to Crimestoppers?.

In the garage? So totally internal, no natural sunlight?

Struth!

Their electricity bills must be through the goddamn roof!

I have asked DP about scale and we genuinely don't know. I think they get their friend to sell it on so don't have much to do with the actual dealing. In terms of shopping them in a way I want to but it would break DP if his family were in prison and as I said they have a big involvement with BILs kids so it's not an easy decision to make. Not saying I won't but sadly it's not clear cut for me. I wish it was it's one of those things where until you find yourself in the situation you think you would behave differently. A huge part of me wants to though.

Yes they have done something to their electricity meter I think they are cagey about it never let anyone in to do readings etc

So they are stealing electricity as well from the National Grid. You could report them for this because this is a criminal offence as well. A third of all stolen energy is used to power cannabis farms.

Electricity theft, put simply, involves bypassing or messing with the electricity meter and supply in some way so that it incorrectly records the amount of electricity that is being used. Tricksters turn off meters for a while to avoid measuring the electricity used, and then reconnect from time to time to avoid suspicion. But regular tampering only weakens connections further, and increases the risk of sparks and fires.

Bad things happen when good people stand by and do nothing. You have a clear idea of what they are up to.

Feel for your BILs kids but your partner's parents are criminals no two ways about it. If they went to prison your DP would be upset but he would be angry at them too for doing such in the first place. No-one put a gun to their head and forced them, this has all been done of their own free will and out of their own greed.

If you DP (and thus) you know about it, your PiLs security is already blown wide open.

Forget the police - the biggest worry is when a local gang of rippers find out and decide to pay him a visit.

Your PiL is an idiot and an idiot and an idiot. It's odds on they've probably fiddled their electricity too.

AND they steal electricity!

Unbelievable!

I bet they park in disabled spaces and sit in reserved seats in the train too. And eat rustly sweets in the cinema.

Seriously, farming cannabis plants is very energy intensive.

Well no more than any other plants ...

A study by scientist Evan Mills, with the Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory, revealed that legalized indoor marijuana-growing operations account for 1% of total electricity use in the US, at a cost of $6bn per year.

(less than aircon ...)

Whilst true, that a meaningless statistic, since it's offset by the fact that in the US where it's legal to grow cannabis, it's grown outdoors with "free" energy from the sun.

Anyway, I can assure the OP that her PiL will be feeling either the long arm of the law, or worse (personally I'd hope the police get to him first ....).

You can't "lose" electricity. Every amp is accounted for somewhere. And when the bills don't add up to the total, it's trivial to narrow it down to a single circuit.

I'd be surprised if they've bothered to use a carbon filter too. Meaning that even if they can't smell it, the neighbourhood will.

When the balloon goes up, they'll need a decent brief that can understand the difference between cultivation and production for a start. They might also want to start researching POCA. (On which note, advice to the OP is to ensure there is no financial connection between you and PiL ...)

I bet they park in disabled spaces and sit in reserved seats in the train too. And eat rustly sweets in the cinema.

They always try to get baskets containing 12+ items through the 9 items or fewer till, too.

Well no more than any other plants ...

Other, legal plants don't need to be grown in complete secrecy, and thus can be grown outside. I assure you, growing tomato plants on the windowsill is really cheap! No fans, lighting system, etc.

At the time of writing, in the article I quoted, growers were reluctant to start growing cannabis outside, as it explains. Outside farming wasn't a skillset traditionally developed within this cottage industry.

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Not the disabled spaces; the worst crime on MN worse than a drug lord....... parking in parent & child spaces!!!!

Other, legal plants don't need to be grown in complete secrecy, and thus can be grown outside. I assure you, growing tomato plants on the windowsill is really cheap! No fans, lighting system, etc.

I can tell you exactly where the UKs biggest cannabis farm is. As could Theresa Mays and Victoria Atkins husbands, since they are massive investors in it.

At the time of writing, in the article I quoted, growers were reluctant to start growing cannabis outside, as it explains. Outside farming wasn't a skillset traditionally developed within this cottage industry.

British growers have a worldwide reputation for their expertise, although it's not a readily transferable skill.

It's still early days yet, but LED lights are starting to become quite viable which reduces the energy footprint dramatically.

To answer about the house it's our in their garage which is very large so genuinely did not know I've never been in there

Ah well if it was you would hear the generators going that keeps the air circulating and the uv lights on - which I may add would be quite visible through cracks in doors and windows unless they were completely blocked out - but you would still hear the generators. You can’t just grow weed indoors easily - it’s quite a sophisticated process. Plus many grows are detected when huge sources of heat/light are detected from police helicopters at night. Especially in built up areas

If you would have said it was in a lock up some where remote OR a cellar I might have continued to believe you.

I’m out!

Ah well if it was you would hear the generators going that keeps the air circulating and the uv lights on - which I may add would be quite visible through cracks in doors and windows unless they were completely blocked out - but you would still hear the generators. You can’t just grow weed indoors easily - it’s quite a sophisticated process. Plus many grows are detected when huge sources of heat/light are detected from police helicopters at night. Especially in built up areas

It's rare to see so much rubbish in a single sentence

1. "Generators" ? When you're stealing electricity ? Maybe you meant "fans" ? A properly installed fan with acoustic ducting is inaudible at less than a metre.

2. "uv lights" - I thought they were growing cannabis, not tanning it. maybe "grow lights" which are usually high pressure sodium dual-spectrum, but some growers will switch metal halides in and out for the vegetative phases. I'm guessing the OPs PiL being a thick fucker wouldn't though.

3. "You can’t just grow weed indoors easily" - er, you can - and many do.

4. "it’s quite a sophisticated process" - not really, if the OPs numpty PiL can manage it.

5. "Plus many grows are detected when huge sources of heat/light are detected from police helicopters at night" - not as many as aren't though . And an awful lot of police raids are really intelligence led (someone blabbed). They just like to put out stories about FLIR as it sound good, and means they can up the budget for the shiny.

Is this MN, or the Daily Mail ?

Dingo I don't know why that's hard to believe they are my PIL I don't go roaming around their garage which is a separate building at the bottom of their garden! In terms of how it's set up I have no idea DP has said there is a room set up that's always locked. It's a huge garage they have an office and stuff in there too it's like an annexe it's big enough for someone to live there there's 3 or 4 different rooms

I'd have no compunction to tip of the police because of their greed and of who they are as people. And I am someone that would not care with anyone else if it were solely for own consumption.

I can tell you exactly where the UKs biggest cannabis farm is. As could Theresa Mays and Victoria Atkins husbands, since they are massive investors in it.

Yes, and they have a monopoly on legal pot production in the UK, anyone else would be breaking the law. So it's done broadly under cover.

I wouldn't want my kids being babysat by anyone with extremely right wing views let alone drug dealers

not really, if the OPs numpty PiL can manage it.

The ones that have, it now turns out, made a song-and-dance over the electricity meter to their daughter-in-law, and gods know who else?

Amazing they're not already caught...

OP, do you know how long they've been doing this?

If they've done something to the meter, and wont let anyone in to take readings, it wont be long before it's scuppered. Companies will apply for a warrant to enter and read the meter if it's not been read in 2 years. Also they check the meter itself for damage and any attempts to rig it.

Not sure how long DP thought 2-3 years although he's not clear really. They've tried to keep him out of it although they've not done a great job. Maybe they will get caught I kind of hope so tbh. Maybe I should report them I don't particularly want them around my children but it's a big thing to do. They will expect a big relationship I think as they have with BILs children but I won't let that happen.

I`d be all nice etc and report electric fiddling and dealing/ growing weed. When the shit hits the fan be all shocked about it (and inwardly feel smug).