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To feel as slighted and hated following my mother's death, as I did by her in life.

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GetMeOffThisCycleOfMisery · 01/05/2019 10:48

Last November, I posted asking if IWBU to cut my mum out of my life, despite the fact that she might die soon, due to her alcoholism. Not one person who replied said IWBU, which made me feel less harsh.

The thread is here: AIBU

Long story short, I had an abusive childhood mainly at the hands of her second husband, which caused a breakdown and 10 years of depression for me, the whole time my mum saying I was exaggerating and attention-seeking, then in 2003 she started drinking after a relationship breakdown and became alcoholic, losing her job and home in the process. Her alcoholism made our relationship even worse, the booze made her really nasty.

Anyway, I was still no contact with my mum last week, when she was found dead in her bed. Her liver had finally packed up.

It's been a rollercoaster of a week. I am physically and mentally exhausted. I have no family locally, so I am trying to muddle through this on my own to a certain degree. My younger brother has travelled down twice to help with bits and bobs, but he's self-employed and not able to just drop everything as he won't get paid. My older brother was no contact with mum too, so I have only seen him once and he travelled for me, rather than for mum, if that makes sense.

I have an amazing supportive partner, friends and work, which is brilliant. But I am feeling so mixed-up, scared and angry right now.

I am angry that I never had a 'coventional' mother-daughter relationship and that I never will have, I feel that I wasn't loved as she put her ex-husband and the alcohol before me and I actually feel cheated as I imagined I would get time to make some kind of peace with her on her death bed.

On top of all this, I now have to find £3k for her funeral. She took out a policy a couple of years ago, when we had a huge row about her drinking and I said she was fucking selfish drinking herself to death, especially leaving me and my younger brother with no means to pay for a funeral.

So I found the plan, submitted the claim last week and although they haven't reached a decision, I know they won't pay out, as I found a summary of her application and she lied on every single bastard question, including how many units she drank per week.

The stress has made me ill, my blood pressure is through the roof, my heart rate really high and my heart is skipping beats. I can't eat, can't sleep, feel constantly on edge and have been having hysterical breakdowns. I know it's all grief, but I feel like I am going mad.

I have been practical and gone to my GP, he's given me tablets. I also have a counselling session booked tomorrow, as I know I need help.

The one thing they can't help with is I just feel sick with worry about the funeral costs. £3k is the basic funeral. My mum has no property, no savings, all the gold jewellery I bought her over the years is missing, and despite her being on benefits, the DWP have said I'm not entitled to any social fund grant, as my brother and I don't claim any benefits ourselves.

My family don't have a pot to piss in either. So like when she was alive and we were talking, it's all left to me to clear up her shit after her and doing all the running around.

It's like she is making me sick with worry and did it on purpose, just to fuck me up a little bit more from beyond the grave, I feel so angry towards her.

Self-pity isn't usually my M.O, but at the moment I can't see any way out of the situation.

OP posts:
Langrish · 01/05/2019 10:49

Sorry to read and run, on way out: have you looked into direct cremation? Much more manageable (average £900 in our area).

JustanAunt · 01/05/2019 10:53

I don't know much about this sort of thing, but what would happen if you just refused to fund the funeral? The state would have to pay for it. It sounds like it's the send off she deserves. Much love to you and hope you can find some level of peace now

converseandjeans · 01/05/2019 10:53

That sounds awful. So sorry to hear what you have been through. I know there is a 'paupers' funeral. So very basic with cardboard coffin etc. Are you planning on having an actual service? It doesn't sound like you or your siblings would be able to cope with that? Maybe go for the cheapest option - the one mentioned above and forget about having an event where you have to invite people and faff about with sandwiches etc..

GetMeOffThisCycleOfMisery · 01/05/2019 10:53

@Langrish - Thank you, I have looked into that. But that would mean no service. My family will want and expect a service, plus I need it too, as I need some kind of 'closure'.

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plominoagain · 01/05/2019 10:54

The council can help with a public health funeral . If you can’t pay for one , you can’t pay for one and they can’t make you . I think you have to sign various forms to say why you can’t , but then the council has to take it over . You don’t get any say in what happens , but it might be a way forwards for you .

picklemepopcorn · 01/05/2019 10:55

I second direct cremation. You are not obligated to organise a big bash.

In fact, there are limits on your obligations, anyway. If I remember correctly the local authority can take responsibility but you will then have no involvement at all.

Don't feel obliged to rush to make decisions. Take time to find out what your options are.

GetMeOffThisCycleOfMisery · 01/05/2019 10:56

The wake wouldn't really cost anything, the venue is free and my DP is a chef and can knock a buffet up very cheaply. Also, mum's family are travelling 3 hours, so I have to have a wake.

That £3k doesn't include the wake, that's just for the basic service.

Things like cardboard coffin, or no service, I just can't do it, I would feel so ashamed. Sorry if that sounds daft.

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picklemepopcorn · 01/05/2019 10:57

You can still have a ceremony with direct cremation.

You could organise something yourself, or hold it at a church with just the ashes present. You can combine that with having ashes interred in the graveyard.

GetMeOffThisCycleOfMisery · 01/05/2019 10:57

I did speak to the council and they said they would only possibly do a cremation after much hoop jumping and it would be a closed cremation, so my family couldn't attend.

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TheTrollFairy · 01/05/2019 10:58

It’s it an option to just not pay for a funeral? Or just basic cremation? Please don’t get into debt for a funeral.
I have a good relationship with my mum and I think she would understand both of the above if I didn’t have the funds to pay for a funeral for her.

I am NC with my dad. I’m dreading the day he dies as it shuts down all possibilities of making up (which isn’t what I want but the option is there). I can’t even imagine what thoughts are going through you at the moment.
Flowers for you

babysharkah · 01/05/2019 10:58

I have been pretty much in your situation expect it was my dad. In the end his wife was able to claim some sort of grant that covered the cost of a VERY basic cremation. (I was at uni, and had no means, nor wish, to pay for it even I had had the money at the time). Is the ex H around, could he help, although I understand you probably dont want to be in touch with him.

plominoagain · 01/05/2019 10:58

Actually , I have known of our local council doing a committal service for one of our neighbours , who died in similar circumstances . The council officer I spoke to who was making enquiries actually attended as I recall , and I think you can still go , but you don’t get to necessarily choose the time or date .

picklemepopcorn · 01/05/2019 10:59

So direct cremation, then collect the ashes and hold a wake that involves some kind of service and perhaps interment of the ashes if that can be done nearby?

sleepysleepsleep · 01/05/2019 10:59

With respect op, if your family expect a service - they can put their hands in their pockets to pay for it. You owe her nothing. Do not put yourself into debt for this.

Mydogsnotfat · 01/05/2019 10:59

Hi,

Sorry you are in this position. I work in the funeral industry and it does seem that you can cut costs. Try asking several local funeral directors as their prices vary. Independent often cheaper than a group such as Co op or Dignity. Have no extras (limousine etc or celebrant or minister as you can do that part yourselves). No wake or at least not one paid by yourselves. Some crematoriums have different charges for different times of day, early am often cheaper. Choose the basic coffin option. Don't get flowers from a florist. Or you could do for a direct cremation as someone suggested and perhaps have a memorial service or scattering later on which is attended.

PerkingFaintly · 01/05/2019 10:59

Maybe have a direct cremation, from which you'll get ashes (you can buy a tube for this online, eg www.amazon.co.uk/Biodegradable-Cremation-Ashes-Scattering-Scatter/dp/B01CMI1LTG?tag=mumsnetforu03-21 )

Then organise a family get together for an ash scattering, which might fulfil the purpose of the service and give you the closure you need, but keep the costs under control.

GetMeOffThisCycleOfMisery · 01/05/2019 11:00

@picklemepopcorn that's strange, I was told otherwise.

Don;t start me on the interrment, that's another £550 to bury her ashes back at her home town, but that can wait.

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picklemepopcorn · 01/05/2019 11:00

Please don't compound a lifetime of abuse by letting her dictate from beyond the grave.

If her family want something different, they can organise it.

picklemepopcorn · 01/05/2019 11:01

Tell them you have the wake covered, they can organise the rest.

PerkingFaintly · 01/05/2019 11:01

Sorry, x-post with lots of people saying the same.

Waterfallgirl · 01/05/2019 11:02

Sorry to hear what you have been through, but I’m glad you have been to get support for yourself.
I don’t mean to pry OP when you say “ my family will want and expect a service” who do you mean? It sounds like your brothers won’t, so who else has a ‘say’ for want of a better word?
What I am trying to say is, you do what YOU can if you are the one doing it. Don’t get into debt because others want you to do something you can’t afford. If it’s important to these family members then maybe they need to come forward with the funds and support for you.

OwnerOfThatChocolateBar · 01/05/2019 11:02

Is there still such a thing as a paupers funeral that happens to people whom didn't have any family or estate to pay to be buried? Surely there's no one on this planet that can make you pay anything towards a funeral, just bow out and have nothing to do with any of it from now on.
I'm so sorry, not for your loss but for the way you've been treated in your life and now feel
Sending all the love and thoughts to you and your siblings

TwoBlueFish · 01/05/2019 11:02

You can usually get a cheaper package if you’re willing to be flexible on the date and time of the service. Search for low cost funeral and you should be able to find something for under 2K. If you’re on a low income you may be able to get help from the benefits office.

My step-mums funeral Service was held at home, officiated by a friend. Her coffin was plain MDF which we decorated and her body was then taken for cremation. Was a really lovely personal service.

picklemepopcorn · 01/05/2019 11:03

@GetMeOffThisCycleOfMisery sorry my post was unclear.
You can't have a service at the crem with direct cremation.
You can have a service at church, or book a humanist to lead a service at your venue.

And you can scatter the ashes.

itsinthetriforium · 01/05/2019 11:03

This might not be what you want at all, but if you ask your local church the vicar might be prepared to do a funeral type thing but without the body there. The closed council funeral could then take place separately. That would give you a service but you would only have to pay the church fee, which i think is about £200. If you’re an ardent atheist this might not work for you, but I thought it was worth mentioning.

For what it’s worth, I don’t think you should feel obliged to sort out a funeral at all. She sounds dreadful and you don’t owe her anything.