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Smacking and bruises

146 replies

Rivieraqueen · 29/04/2019 19:13

Regular poster but I've NC'd for this.

One of my sisters has recently had a baby, I currently don't have any but most of my friends do and I spend a lot of time with them and adore them. I can't ever imagine smacking them (I appreciate I'm lucky that I get to go home and leave them to deal with the tantrums etc).

It is only now as an adult, seeing lots of people around me with their children, that I look back at my own childhood and question whether the smacking my step father used to do was a step too far. I remember regularly having hand mark purple and blue bruises on my legs. This happened frequently until I was around 15. My mum used to do this too but not to the same extent. I was quite a hyperactive kid who I suppose you would describe as being 'into everything'. I'm sure I was at times hard work for my parents.

As a kid when it used to happen, I always just thought it was normal that most children must have also been smacked like this (maybe I have a bit of Stockholm syndrome and have defended them). I do beat myself up about it still, that I was a naughty child and that it was deserved punishment.

What are your thoughts on smacking? AIBU now as an adult, to question the actions of my parents and be quite angry with them?

OP posts:
b0bb1n · 30/04/2019 08:17

My siblings and I were smacked as children. It hurt but never left a mark. And it worked! It taught me the consequences of my wrong actions and that if I did it again I would experience the same pain. I never ever felt like my dad was abusing me, on the contrary because I full well knew what I had done was wrong I understood he was right to smack me (as much as I never admitted it then). The only times smacking are wrong imo are when it's done in anger, when too much force is applied

b0bb1n · 30/04/2019 08:19

Posted too soon...

, and when smacking is done anywhere other than the bum / upper legs. If you were left with bruises I'd say that was very wrong of your parents.

Lizzie48 · 30/04/2019 08:25

I’m sorry about what you went through as a child, OP, it sounds horrible. Flowers

My siblings and I were smacked a lot growing up. (There were far worse things happening to us as well, but that’s not what this thread is about.). Both my parents smacked us. My DM has said that she always felt that my F smacked us too hard, but she didn’t intervene, which probably partly explains why we didn’t tell her about the worse things that were happening.

My DM, though, was not blameless here. Years ago, she confessed to having caned my DB once, she felt awful about this. I naturally assumed that he must have committed some heinous act. But recently she told me it was only because he couldn’t do his Maths homework. (Needless to say, he didn’t miraculously improve as a result.)

I know my DM regrets all those acts and I therefore have no worries about her being around my DDs.

It’s helped to talk about it with my DM and we get on okay really; I find it hard being around her but that’s because of the worse abuse (SA) that our F put my DSis and me through.

Have you spoken to your mum about this? If not, it might help. But she sounds a lot more guilty than my DM of allowing your stepfather to hurt you. Is she still with him? If she is, that must make it harder for you to forgive her. (It’s easier for me really, as my F is dead.)

User12879923378 · 30/04/2019 08:32

I'm in my 40s and got spanked very occasionally. Can't say I was traumatised by it but it was really occasional, it was at that time pretty normal and I was never imprisoned or seriously hurt - we're talking grab of arm and a hard pat on the bum. Was more upset at the idea than anything else. But I would never smack my own child - it's unthinkable - and reading the posts above Flowers I could never support anyone else doing it.

User12879923378 · 30/04/2019 08:33

I can remember teachers occasionally smacking at school as well. Seems astonishing now.

newshoesforsummer · 30/04/2019 08:37

@auldjosey it isn't the end of the road with your dd - if you took some time to get really strong with strong foundations, you would be able to go back and have the relationship and may be able to turn things around completely. If you haven't already done this, writing things down in objective detail can help a lot, it is a really good way of processing things and getting objective perspective, and it would then all there clear in your mind if you need to explain to someone succinctly what your concerns are about your mother having your dd now. Also a really good book recommended to me when I was in my early twenties (years ago now) was "Depression: A Way Out of Your Prison" by Dorothy Rowe - it is not just about depression, it is about making yourself rock solid and being able to cope with everything in the past, present and future. It is painful but once through it life is so much better. I can't remember what it says but remember thinking it was brilliant and from the point of reading it I moved on and put most of my past behind me completely.

@rivieraqueen I liked your middle finger comment, and I am sure you will find that when you have your own children you are able to bring them up completely differently Smile

justarandomtricycle · 30/04/2019 08:55

I was terrorized and regularly beaten by DF and OW he shacked up with.

DS (her DC) liked to throw me under the bus and generally did not get a hand laid on her.

DS now acts the role of a very brave, strong, independently minded adult and is revered by them like some kind of rock star, and I try not to because they were a child too and it must have messed them up, but I cannot ever really shake the memory of her cheering on beatings that she had caused to happen when she acts like someone who speaks truth to authority.

Eventually I faced my aggressor and tried to fight back, and was ultimately removed by SS when other people realised the abuse that was going on. I spent several years struggling with MH issues, then reconnected and discovered DS was being emotionally abused as she had become the new target (although thankfully not beaten), they were being g kept in the house against their will
I picked myself up, went to their house, faced my violent abuser in an angry confrontation and physically escorted my DS from the house.

DS thanked me for saving her life, got a flat and shortly afterwards reconnected with family suffered from amnesia, going back to being the abuser's parrot and never again mentioning the heist I staged. Has outright suggested it was me being unreasonable and apologised for leaving.

In that family I am derided as a traitor for SS taking me and a nut job because I was messed up for a few years as a teen. DS is seen as a hero for coming to her senses and realising there was nothing wrong and I am the source of all evil.

Gatehouse77 · 30/04/2019 08:58

We were all smacked as children.

For 2 of us it's had little affect, for 2 of us it's had a profound affect. And that's why I've worked hard to not repeat the cycle - you don't know what it's going to do. Neither of those affected consider themselves victims of abuse but are aware of the damage it did to the parent/child relationship.

I have never used smacking as a threat, nor 'wait till your father gets home', nor setting up one parent to be the disciplinarian.
I have slipped and given the odd smack when they were very small and am fully aware that that was me losing control apart from one which was instinctive - swiped DS's legs away whilst changing his nappy as he kicked me in the boobs accidentally and it was bloody painful as my next job was to feed his sister.

EleanorOalike · 30/04/2019 09:03

Smacking that left bruises was never normal. It’s abuse. And please don’t think you were naughty and deserved it. You were a kid being a kid, nothing more. The adults in your life betrayed you.

I was an exceptionally behaved, terrified to put a foot wrong child and I was emotionally abused and regularly hit for absolutely no reason at all. Saying “Can I have some salt please?” instead of “please may I have the salt?”, dropping something like a book by accident, wetting the bed, crying because my dad left us, “looking funny”, saying “She’s here” instead of “Aunt Maureen is here”. My mum was menopausal and took all her rage out on me especially from about age eight and nine when it was most days. I was rarely tapped or smacked on the legs or bottom in the way that I hear smacking mentioned.

I was dragged about, pushed and chased to the point where I’d be cowering in a corner or hiding under the bed and then dragged out and she’d lay into my back, stomach and head with her fists. Pounding me over and over or she’d knee me in the stomach. I’d often get red marks at the top of my arms and across my back and stomach but never bruises. I’d wish that she’d cause a visible bad injury so that maybe she’d shock herself into stopping or someone would notice and take care of me, but she never did. I’ve got a finger at a funny angle where she must have dislocated it when I put my hands up to protect myself and she kept hitting me and one day she hit me so hard over the head with one of those big plastic paddle hairbrushes that it snapped in two when it made contact with my head. For making her late for church ironically!

She was, in her own words, a “battered wife” in her first marriage and when I’d beg her to stop or tell her she was hurting me she’d tell me I had no idea what it was like to be beaten black and blue and how I didn’t know what pain was. She was very out of control and physically huge, she was a size 16/18 and fairly tall and obviously I was a little child. I did honestly think she might go too far one day.

I can remember her saying when I was about 12, “if ever a man hits you, you’d never stay with him would you? You need to get out the minute he raises his hand to you.” and when I didn’t reply that yes, I knew that you should leave a man that hits you, she went crazy and asked me how on Earth I didn’t know that it wasn’t normal for a boyfriend or husband to beat you up. I remember just being very confused and thinking, “but you hit me and I’ve got nowhere to go” and feeling like it was inevitable that I’d always get hit or beaten.

Needless to say it set me up for some abusive relationships and not really having a lot of self-worth. I’ve just always felt unlovable and like it wasn’t safe to be in a relationship. I live a very lonely life, partly because of all the shame that’s always been inside. When she’d hit me she be saying I was a nasty little bitch or a slut and that if people knew the real me they wouldn’t want to be around me. I just feel disgusting on the inside. Like I’m inherently bad/flawed etc. If your own mum can physically hurt you and say such awful things then how can anyone think you’re okay?

This was in the 90s. Most of my friends weren’t smacked. I hate seeing children being smacked in public - I seem to see it a lot in Liverpool city centre when I’m out and about, usually by grandmothers and it really affects me and I worry for the poor child.

Flowers to OP and everyone who has experienced similar. It’s not right or fair. You should feel safe and loved in childhood.

Connieston · 30/04/2019 09:04

I was certainly smacked, it was relatively commonplace I think twenty or thirty plus years ago, in that I'm certain my friends had similar. I don't remember ever having bruises though, it would have been few and far between and nothing hard enough to leave a mark. What you're describing does sound particularly bad.

justarandomtricycle · 30/04/2019 09:06

A hug for everyone in this thread that would like one after talking about this stuff.

Flowers
RedHelenB · 30/04/2019 09:30

I think a smack as a last resort in a loving home is miles away from beatings and an abusive hone life. Those that say smacking never harmed them would fall into the first camp I would suggest.

As adults we can take control of our own lifes though and ensure we make the right choices for our children, it s never too late.

thetemptationofchocolate · 30/04/2019 09:49

My dad used to lose his temper and beat me about the head, over trivial things like spilling something. Growing up in that house was frightening as I never knew when a beating was coming. He could go from nothing to full-on rage in an instant. I think this has caused me many problems throughout life as anxiety was so ingrained, I doubt I will ever be free of it.
I sometimes wonder if he ever thinks that what he did was unacceptable? And if I will ever have the courage to ask him that.

NoIDontWatchLoveIsland · 30/04/2019 10:03

I was smacked, rarely, but it was only ever a hand to the backside, it wasn't really painful. I don't in any way hold it against parents. I don't recall it ever leaving a mark and it was reserved for the rare occasion when nothing else was working. It was 30-30 yrs ago and was the norm then.

Lizzie48 · 30/04/2019 10:06

I think a smack as a last resort in a loving home is miles away from beatings and an abusive hone life. Those that say smacking never harmed them would fall into the first camp I would suggest.

I agree with this. My DH had this kind of home life and he’s perfectly well adjusted, compared to me. But he’s never tried to defend the practice

GraceMarks · 30/04/2019 10:35

My mum still tries to justify hitting (I refuse to call it "smacking", as if it needs its own word when you do it to children) me and my brother by saying she only ever did it when we were in danger. I can remember being hit after I nearly ran out into the road without looking, but why on earth would her reaction been to have yanked my arms up with one hand and slapped me hard, several times, around the ribs with the other? Why did she want to hurt and punish me instead of keeping me safe?

And anyway, I can remember similar punishments for other things that weren't life-endangering. Calling my dad by his first name after I overheard someone else calling him that. Dropping and breaking a plate. Embarrassing my mum at a parents' evening by saying that I thought maths was silly...

I've never quite forgiven my parents for thinking it was ok to frighten, hurt and humiliate me, nor for their ongoing insistence that it hasn't done me any harm, despite my telling them otherwise.

EmeraldShamrock · 30/04/2019 11:31

I 100% agree smacking should be illegal. I also think some form of discipline is needed for DC to learn, time out, losing privileges depending on the age, lots of parents did not replace discipline as a result of beatings from their childhood. Some kids now rule the roost.
It is tough to get the balance.

thebabessavedme · 30/04/2019 11:43

I'm so sorry to read some of these posts, they are heartbreaking. I am heading towards 60 and I think that most of my generation had the odd slap, I did occasionally, round the back of the leg, from my mother when at her wits end, We were never left with a mark or bruise, never struck with any object, belt etc but I did have a friend who was caned, looking back that poor child was abused in a terrible way and I still feel very guilty that I never told my dm (she would have 'done something') but it never struck me as odd at the time, general langugue towards children usually included references to 'getting a back hander' 'a bloody good wallop' etc so I just assumed it was normal to get a short slap. so sad. thank god we have moved on.

AuldJosey · 30/04/2019 12:04

Thanks to the poster who recommended the book on depression. It sounds good - I'll look into it.

Buddywoo · 30/04/2019 12:11

In the 1950's I was regularly smacked at home. Not just one smack but probably half a dozen. I was also smacked at primary school and occasionally caned by the headmaster. I wasn't a particularly naughty child, it happened to all the children.

I was brought up in an educated middle class household and I think it was just the norm then. I very occasionally smacked my children on the bottom in the 60's and 70's. My grandchildren are never smacked and I'm glad things have changed but provided excessive force wasn't used I don't think you should hold resentment to parents who smacked. It was normal.

Tara336 · 30/04/2019 16:16

@EleanourOalike that was another of my DM favourite comments that if people knew the real me they wouldn’t like me. It left me with so little confidence in myself and despite not telling anyone other then ExH and DP it clearly shows as I’ve had a boss tell me he feels sad at how little confidence I have in myself and a friend comment that “you seem to feel like you don’t deserve friends”. But I’ve had years of physical and emotional abuse and felt ashamed to admit it. I did tell a school friend once when I was about 9 that my DM keeps hitting me, she in turn told her DM who said I needed to tell my teacher but I was to scared too, if I had been braver maybe things would have been better for me as one of my friends at school was in foster care and I remember being amazed at how kind her FP were and that’s what I really wanted

AuldJosey · 30/04/2019 16:28

I remember showing my 2 close school friends my upper thighs covered in bruises (I may have been 7 or 8) - just one big massive mass of bruises from a beating with the handle of a brush on either side. Their shock made me ashamed. I think they may have told their Mums - no idea - nothing was done. I can't quite remember the conversation now. I think we decided I should run away lol - the innocence of childhood.
Another time I was caught talking in class and the headmaster told me he was going to write home to my parents - I started crying inconsolably and he brought me outside the class and asked me in his terrorising headmaster way - Why are you crying?????? I remember sniffling because 'Mammy will hit me'. I vaguely remember him consoling me and saying it's ok, I won't write home. That was that, and again nothing was done.
In my day, a good hammering seemed to be seen as good discipline.

What could they do?

If SS had gotten involved, I suspect my mother would have avoided my body and stuck to a few boxes to the head - not noticeable.

It's amazing really what has happened to me.

I watch programmes like Criminal Minds and sometimes they play back to when the now criminal was a child and what they went through. I often wonder how I've managed not to become a mass murderer, or just a murderer, myself.

AuldJosey · 30/04/2019 16:34

Another thing I remember thinking was that I wished that every bruise my mother had ever given me all showed up at once, as I knew that every single part of my body would be bruised.

I was 12 when I first contemplated suicide.

So if you think that your 'smack' is teaching them a lesson - just fuck off with that sentiment. Smack or a bruise - don't fucking put your hands on a child.

AuldJosey · 30/04/2019 16:36

And Tara - like you, I wished and hoped and prayed that I would be adopted. Or that my Dad would leave and find a nice mother for me.

newshoesforsummer · 30/04/2019 18:02

@tara336 and @auldjosey I am really sorry to hear about your experiences and I can relate to the feeling of wanting to be saved but the reality is that for many (most?) children the experience of going into care is pretty horrendous too.