To find the royal family fascinating?

[MagicKingdomDizzy]

Don't want to make this a TAAT, so I'll just say I have enjoyed everyone's observations on the royal family and it's made a boring weekend go much quicker

Please continue if you wish to......

Be warned, it’s a naice thread. So no urban dictionary quotes and Meghan bashing.

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@MagicKingdomDizzy @KoraBora - I find the ancestry and the jewellery more fun than the clothes, tbh!

@KoraBora- Philip is indeed related separately to Nicky and to Alix. He seems to have been the "best" match all round for DNA. It is so sad about the Romanov children, but you wonder about their future. I wonder how good a Tsar Alexei would have been or how he would have coped without a throne to inherit after his upbringing and how long he would have lasted, with haemophilia. If he'd died without an heir, the throne would've gone god knows where under the Pauline Laws.

Also if the girls had lived and married, they would have spread haemophilia further afield, but they possibly would have survived. Olga purposely avoided potentially marrying Prince Carol of Romania (to whom she was also matrilineally related because Carol was another great-dgc of Victoria via her son Prince Alfred Duke of Edinburgh and his daughter Queen Marie of Romania). The correct move because he was a colossal shit, but still a move that could have saved her life, even if the rest of the family perished, although I don't know if any issue from Olga would have had any claim on the Russian throne due to their claim being matrilineal.

Grand Duchess Maria was the childhood crush of Louis Mountbatten, who wanted to marry her and had a picture of her by his bed to the end of his life. That would have been another distant-but-still-related-via-Victoria marriage. The Tsars family unit was claustrophobically tight, though. I don't think any of the Dds really wanted to marry outside of Russia (Maria famously just wanted to marry an army officer) so possibly some unhappy marriages ahead via royal match making. They were spared that, but such a waste of life.

Do you think lovely MM will cloth nappy Baby S? Or will she just use the ones from Aldi?

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Cloth! Also, I'm not a "celeb baby pic" hawk, but I bet they look so, so, happy. It's cute how much they ❤ each other!

Well whatever choices they make re. nappies and clothes will be leapt upon enthusiastically by royal fans. I bet kids' clothes designers are crossing their fingers that the baby will be spotted in one of their babygrows. You can't pay for that kind of marketing!

Alfred, Duke of Edinburgh, son of Victoria, married Grand Duchess Maria Alexandrovna of Russia, the last tsar's paternal aunt, so Queen Marie of Romania was cousin to Tsar Nicholas and Carol was Olga's second cousin. Victoria mumped about her son being expected to go to Russia for the wedding as the BRF were obviously far more important than any mere Russian royalty!

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Grand Duchess Maria was the childhood crush of Louis Mountbatten, who wanted to marry her and had a picture of her by his bed to the end of his life.

I remember when it really dawned on me that the Romanov sisters (born between 1895 and 1901) & Alexei (born 1904) were the same generation as Mountbatten, Edward VIII (Duke of Windsor), George VI & siblings, The Queen Mother, and so on.

The Queen Mum survives into the twenty-first century, for example.

It really brings home the long lives (and potential families) those Romanov siblings lost, somehow.

TooManyPaws oh yes the BRF were the most important & best royal/imperial family in the world according to Victoria. You have to admire her self confidence.

So any DC and GDC of a possible Olga-Carol match would have been related to Nicky and Alix both singularly and jointly, too? Didn't Carol also eventually marry Princess Helen of Greece? Her brother then married Carols sister, I think! I'm pretty sure Carols legit heirs via Helen are related to Philip in more or less every direction!

Too gendered for the Sussex kid Tracy.

www.townandcountrymag.com/society/tradition/a24186546/romanov-jewelry-catalogues-russia-does-not-want-you-to-see/

For a lazy afternoon.

@RubberTreePlant- I had that moment too. Especially when you realise Anastasia possibly could have seen the early 90s. The last of Victoria's children died in 1944. You don't imagine the daughters in Victorian mourning dress, moping under a statue bust of Albert to have survived almost to the end of WW2.

@TooManyPaws- no doubt immensely fucked off at the Tsar outranking her, he had the highest throne in Europe. Grand Duchesses out rank Princesses, don't ya know!

Talking of fashion, Camilla Parker-Bowles Goes Shopping

Actually, given that Queen Sofía of Spain was Princess Sophia of Greece and Denmark, the Spanish royal family now have Romanov ancestry even if they did not have it before. And Sophia's brother, King Constantine, married Princess Ann-Marie of Denmark. It's not a family tree of European royals, it's much more of a drunken spider's web 🕸! 😁

The last of Victoria's children died in 1944. You don't imagine the daughters in Victorian mourning dress, moping under a statue bust of Albert to have survived almost to the end of WW2.

I spent wasted half a day when I was laid up, tracing all Victoria's descendants down to the modern day on Wikipedia. So many of them! And quite a few lines that died out, and many lines married into foreign royalty, of course, but also dozens of people absorbed into the relative anonymity of the U.K. aristocracy and the gentry.

It makes you realise how historically insignificant Prince Harry's, (and Prince Andrew's, Prince Edward's, Princess Anne's ) descendants will ultimately be.

Yes TooManyPaws it's a bit like my Cocker's pedigree: same name appears all over the shop (I think he shares a maternal and paternal grandfather but I'd have to check). I love him very much but he's very, very dim.

The mistress of Prince Charles - The story of the relationship between Prince Charles and Dale 'Kanga' Tryon with the complications between Camilla Parker Bowles and Princess Diana all mixed up

"It's well-known in Royal Circles that if you are going to have an affair with a woman, make sure she is married. Make she that she has got more to lose than you have."

I keep wondering if goodbyestranger is William's mistress as she is just so dismissive of Kate!

The criss-crossing of Victoria's descendents and the Romanov descendents was quite the spiders web.

I wonder if it made seating plans easier or more complicated working out which 'side' someone had a higher ranking in.

Nope. I don't fancy much younger men mrscampbellblack and especially not ones who look like William. James Hewitt did ask me to supper in around 1988 but that's not what I'd regard as a particular feather in my cap. I am dismissive though, I'll give you that - but not just of Kate, of almost the entire royal family.

A drunken Spider's Web with very limited choice of names! So many women called Alice, Louise, Alexandra, Elizabeth, Beatrice, Mary or Victoria.

@RubberTreePlant yes, quite. They all ensure the security of the line but really only William and George and (and possibly Charlotte) are important now. Going forward, theoretically George's future eldest will displace Charlotte in importance.

Just remember that our own royal family could have saved the Romanovs by allowing them asylum in the UK. They offered them asylum then withdrew it because they were worried about how the public would react.

Those children would have been spared the most god awful, horrific death imaginable.

Re: Queen Victoria's descendants, Ian Liddell-Grainger the Tory MP is the great-great-great-grandson of Victoria through her son Prince Leopold Duke of Albany.
He definitely has the family resemblance.