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Male teacher STILL making toilet pass dd wait , what next?!

135 replies

Flooding · 23/04/2019 14:27

I've posted about this before.
DD has a toilet pass both for bladder and dysmenorrhoea/flooding.
She is on medication for both.

I have actually complained three times now on different levels as she is either being stopped from going, argued with for ten minutes about why she shouldn't go or made to wait until someone else comes back (even though toilets are individual cubicles on to the corridor near reception like disabled toilets so not like they can mess about.

I've even checked there is no concern about her going when she doesn't need to and there's not.

DD has also let slip that she doesn't like to go at break even when she does need to go then because the boys have figured how to open the doors and push them open when staff aren't there.

I've complained formally already. I've been told all staff will be reminded and also the staff member will be spoken to.

What next?!

OP posts:
Mummyoflittledragon · 23/04/2019 15:56

Has it been escalated to the head yet? If not then you need to get a face to face meeting with the head, this dickhead and SENCO / safeguarding lead.

JaretsGirlfren · 23/04/2019 15:58

The teachers presumably have separate loos to the students (I say presumably because the boys unlocking the doors are unlikely to carry on if there was the possibility of a teacher sat there!) can your DD get an official permission off of the head teacher to use the teachers loos due to her issues? This would at least solve her unease of going at break time. It may also trigger the teacher into realising it as a serious problem and allow her to go without a fight.
Also, your DD may see this official pass from the headteacher as overriding the other teacher and just go without backing down to this bully of a man.

Verbena37 · 23/04/2019 16:00

I would ring school and ask for a meeting with SENDCO and the Male teacher....and parent governor rep (think most academies have their own academy governor type people and a few parent ones).

Then at the meeting, outline the issues but also, omit ot that your dd will be using the official disabled toilet from now on (assuming it’s not unlockable like the others and somewhere else in school?).

If the Male teacher doesn’t change, I would make an official complaint in writing about him (not just about the situation) and I would involve ofsted/DfE whoever needs to be involved.

noblegiraffe · 23/04/2019 16:02

You need to follow the school complaints procedure which should be detailed on the website.

This is bizarre, I can’t imagine what the teacher is thinking if they’ve been told to let her go.

AWishForWingsThatWork · 23/04/2019 16:05

Ask that her class be changed to another teacher. In writing. And say why. CC the governors and head of school, etc, so it can't be buried.

THis is completely unacceptable and the school needs to be shouted at formally for this.

Macaroonmayhem · 23/04/2019 16:05

Flooding just to be clear, I wasn’t suggesting she was playing up but just that he may have had someone do that previously and so be taking a very hard line and, as a PP suggested, he might get a bit of a kick out of it.

Alternatively, he could just be a monumental aresehole who feels he can ride roughshod over procedures that have been put in place to help everyone - both teachers and students.

Sounds like the latter to me!

SnapesGreasyHair · 23/04/2019 16:06

Have you contacted the teacher in question directly and CC'd in the HT? I can email all my DC teacher's.

Are the doors completely to the floor? Could she get a door wedge to shove under it whilst shes in the cubicle?

Am appalled at how this is happening Flowers

SchadenfreudePersonified · 23/04/2019 16:07

What used to happen was she would drink at break and then because of her medical issues would need the toilet urgently during lesson so she's just stopped drinking at break.

I remember your previous thread - I'm so sorry this twat is still on a power trip at your DD's expense.

Not drinking is very bad - she needs to stay hydrated, noblest because if she doesn't she is more likely to develop unitary tract infections and she has enough to deal with without that.

You have been given good advice here.

Contact the governors of the school , threaten (and if necessary contact) the local press (though I expect that your DD will feel shy about this).

Your DD's mental and emotional health, as well as her physical, is being impacted by this idiot. He's making her effectively and object of ridicule in front of the class.

I wish your DD could summon the courage to just walk past him, but she is young, and he is a bully, and I can quite understand why she feels she can't do this.

Macaroonmayhem · 23/04/2019 16:08

Pressed send too soon...

The key thing now is to get a face to face with him and the HT and get to the bottom of it. Why is he not complying with the toilet pass process? Why does he feel he doesn’t need to? What will make him? The HT needs to be enforcing this.

SantanaBinLorry · 23/04/2019 16:09

I'd be getting a bit Beverly Goldberg about this.
Following proceedure so far hasnt worked.
Go and see the teacher directly and TELL them your daughter will be going to the loo whenever she wants.

Purplecatshopaholic · 23/04/2019 16:10

Is this teacher a complete and utter fuckwit?? Kick up a huge fuss and do not stop! I feel for your poor daughter. Good luck

endofthelinefinally · 23/04/2019 16:10

TBH, I would state that I find this male teacher's attitude and behaviour towards a vulnerable female student disturbing. Because it is.

SchadenfreudePersonified · 23/04/2019 16:12

There’s something making him behave this way

Yes, there is.

It's being a wanker.

havingtochangeusernameagain · 23/04/2019 16:16

I wasn’t suggesting she was playing up but just that he may have had someone do that previously and so be taking a very hard line and, as a PP suggested, he might get a bit of a kick out of it

Even if he wants to take a hard line, and has had kids messing about the Equality Act and his boss/toilet pass process both trump line-taking. And as I mentioned in my first post on this, it is extremely unpleasant for a man (in this case in a position of power) to tell a woman whether she can or cannot go to the loo, regardless of messing about. A woman's rights to her own body come first. This is about more than a teacher not wanting his pupils to mess about.

Verbena37 · 23/04/2019 16:18

Endofthelinefinally agree. Really weird that he is being like that.

FanSpamTastic · 23/04/2019 16:18

Not a solution to the teacher issue but for the "not feeling secure" issue then maybe she could take a door wedge with her? Just to give her that extra sense of security? That is assuming the doors don't open outwards!

Blondiemama · 23/04/2019 16:18

OP, I teach secondary and I’d be horrified if this was happening to one of my students let alone my DD. You must go directly to head and I’d request a teacher/ set change for the class which she’s having the issue with this teacher for. As PP have said, you really must stress that the toilets being opened by boys at break is a massive safeguarding issue. So sorry your DD (and you) are having to go through this.

Drogosnextwife · 23/04/2019 16:23

Have you had an appointment with that specific teacher? I would be asking for one of you haven't. If that doesn't solve the problem ask for your DD to be removed from his class and put in another class.

optimisticpessimist01 · 23/04/2019 16:29

Schools legally have to make reasonable adjustments for students with any disability, illness, requirement etc. What hes doing is certainly a punishable offence if it is re-occurring. Write to the board of governors, headteacher and, if its a MAT, the head of the academy trust

Beargrin · 23/04/2019 16:34

Can you request demand she's put into a class with a different teacher?

DoNotWorry · 23/04/2019 16:42

They are doing something to the outside which makes the lock open from what I can gather..
This is normally you as a safety precaution to enable access in an emergency such as someone incapacitated or ill and unable to release the door.
If the boys are misusing it the school needs to take firm action to stop them.

ElectricDreamz · 23/04/2019 16:54

The boys should be getting into serious trouble for opening the doors while people are using them.

trickyex · 23/04/2019 17:04

I agree re the boys being punished for opening the doors, that is awful bullying behaviour.
And please defend your DD OP, there has been some good advice on this thread, she needs you to fight her corner, and to some extent so do the other poor girls in the school who fear using the loos.

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ThatssomebadhatHarry · 23/04/2019 17:13

Boys opening doors to the unisex toilets!! This makes me so fucking angry.

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