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The damning Mueller Report is out - but Trump thinks he’s exonerated (Trump thread 93)

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TheClaws · 22/04/2019 04:35

... not only that, he’s threatening treason charges on those who investigated him.

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cozietoesie · 23/04/2019 19:07

It will be interesting to see if Charles turns up. (He's gone absentee, before.)

TheNorthWestPawsage · 23/04/2019 21:34

House Oversight Committee postpones subpoena deadline for Trump financial records until court ruling
www.washingtonpost.com/politics/house-oversight-committee-postpones-subpoena-deadline-for-trump-financial-records-until-after-court-rules/2019/04/23/690b7eae-65f4-11e9-8985-4cf30147bdca_story.html?utm_term=.b3188c1b506e

The House Oversight Committee has agreed to postpone its deadline for a subpoena of President Trump’s financial records until after a court rules on a lawsuit filed by the president on the matter, according to a court filing Tuesday.
Trump filed the lawsuit Monday against his own accounting firm and the chairman of the House panel, Rep. Elijah E. Cummings (D-Md.), to block the financial documents’ release.
A hearing has been set for May 14, according to Tuesday’s court filing.
The delay marks a temporary victory for Trump, who is facing mounting investigations by House committees into his finances, his campaign and allegations that he sought to obstruct justice during special counsel Robert S. Mueller III’s probe of Russian interference in the presidential campaign.

TheNorthWestPawsage · 23/04/2019 21:45

Treasury likely to defy Tuesday deadline to turn over Trump tax returns
www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/treasury-likely-to-defy-tuesday-deadline-to-turn-over-trump-tax-returns/2019/04/23/daa7da46-653e-11e9-82ba-fcfeff232e8f_story.html?utm_term=.a0ecd397b4cf

The Treasury Department on Tuesday is likely to defy a second demand from House Democrats to turn over six years of President Trump’s tax returns, according to two administration officials, part of a widening White House effort to stymie congressional oversight.
House Democrats must now decide how forcefully to respond. They could seek to send a final written warning, subpoena the records under a 1924 law that appears to give them access to virtually any tax return, or summon top administration officials to testify.
One House Democrat asked his colleagues Monday to consider whether they should impeach Internal Revenue Service Commissioner Charles Rettig for failing to comply with their legal demands.
The White House has not offered any legal rationale for so far refusing to turn over the records. Instead, Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin — Trump’s former campaign finance chairman — has attacked the motives of Democrats and said he is consulting with the Justice Department over how to proceed.
“There is nothing nefarious there at all,” White House spokesman Hogan Gidley said Tuesday on Fox News. “This was litigated in 2016, and they are going to keep pushing.”
He said Trump was not inclined to allow the release of his tax returns until an audit of the records is complete. Trump has not provided any details of the audit, however, and Trump’s former lawyer — Michael Cohen — has said he doesn’t believe the records are actually under audit.
Last week, House Ways and Means Committee Chairman Richard E. Neal (D-Mass.) sent Rettig a pointed request for six years of Trump’s personal and business tax returns, giving him a 5 p.m. deadline on Tuesday. The IRS is a division of the Treasury Department, and Mnuchin has said he has taken charge of the administration’s response.
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The wording of the statute does not appear to offer discretion to the commissioner of the IRS, which is part of the Treasury Department, to refuse Neal’s request. However, the situation amounts to “uncharted territory” since there has not previously been an occasion where a request for tax returns under the little-used statute has been refused, according to George Yin, a University of Virginia law professor who has testified on the topic before the Ways and Means Committee.


The statute itself does not specify a timeline for compliance, or a penalty for an IRS commissioner or treasury secretary who fails to comply.
“Presumably if there was a refusal, and if the Congress doesn’t simply back off the request, there would be some type of conflict that would be resolved in court in some way, and then it would be up to the court to make a determination of at what point the treasury secretary has violated the law,” Yin said.

cozietoesie · 23/04/2019 22:01

Oh.........

lionheart · 24/04/2019 00:13

Playing for time.

It is an interesting wickipedia entry Dickens.

lionheart · 24/04/2019 00:13

McGahn is more of a problem, I reckon.

TheClaws · 24/04/2019 01:51

Is this obstruction, then?

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TheClaws · 24/04/2019 02:11

Director Brennan towers over minion Bongino. The language Bongino uses is disturbing: “our Republic”, “third-world, failed states”, “stain”. This is exactly the rhetoric North Korea uses against its enemies.

(And, yes, in Brennan’s words, just imagine if we had a President who had the intelligence, integrity, and leadership skills to address America’s many important challenges - but that isn’t important to Bongino.)

Dan Bongino @dbongino
This guy weaponized the intelligence agency he headed to engage in political spying reminiscent of third-world, failed states. History will remember him as a stain on our Republic, nothing more. 👇🏻
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Just imagine if we had a President who did not live in constant fear of being exposed as a fraud, who did not have to obstruct justice to survive politically, and who had the intelligence, integrity, and leadership skills to address America’s many important challenges....

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lionheart · 24/04/2019 07:22

www.thedailybeast.com/trump-gets-gentle-reassurance-from-twitter-chief-jack-dorsey-over-follower-count-in-white-house-meeting?via=twitter_page

'On Tuesday, President Trump hosted Twitter CEO Jack Dorsey in the Oval Office for a closed-door meeting, during which the leader of the free world spent an inordinate amount of time complaining about lost Twitter followers, according to a source familiar with the conversation.

The Twitter chief, for his part, tried to reassure the president that the company’s staff merely wants his follower count to be as bot-free as possible.'

Hearhere · 24/04/2019 11:43

Don the con doesn't realise that his lost Twitter followers are actually botnets?

Surely this is Trump feigning naivety about the power of social media to do harm and spread propaganda it lines up with Jared kushner's remark that Cambridge analytica just bought a few adverts with Facebook.
They are all trying to deny and minimise

PerkingFaintly · 24/04/2019 11:55

Well I'm certainly finding it interesting that Carole Cadwalladr's challenge at the TED conference was on 16 Apr, and on 23 Apr Jack Dorsey turns up in the Oval Office.

Could be unrelated, of course.

PerkingFaintly · 24/04/2019 11:56

twitter.com/carolecadwalla/status/1120147626140192768

Carole Cadwalladr
@carolecadwalla
Oh wow. This is what happened after my talk at #TED2019. This bit is not in the video. @TEDchris invited @facebook to respond. ‘We will make time for you,’ he said. Instead, they made an official complaint about what I said. And then: silence
[embedded video]

PerkingFaintly · 24/04/2019 12:02

twitter.com/carolecadwalla/status/1120237389647990784

Carole Cadwalladr
@carolecadwalla
This is actually very important I think. @facebook refused to answer questions of British parliament. It refused to address international committee of 9 countries. But @TEDTalks is its spiritual home. These are its peers. And it can’t face them either

Hearhere · 24/04/2019 12:02

What sort of faustian bargain has Jack Dorsey made with Don the con?

Hearhere · 24/04/2019 12:07

Bit of an aside but has anyone read the Shoshana Zuboff book 'surveillance capitalism', another woman calling the big tech giants to account
Bravo!

PerkingFaintly · 24/04/2019 12:22

I haven't Hearhere, but will now try to.

Hearhere · 24/04/2019 12:39

She's done various radio and podcast interviews which give a lot of insight into the book, probably YouTube videos as well

lionheart · 24/04/2019 13:17

www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/apr/23/cnn-town-halls-2020-impeachment-socialism-sexism

'Kamala Harris came out in support of impeaching Donald Trump. Bernie Sanders said he was in favor of people in prison being able to vote – even “terrible people” such as the Boston Marathon bomber. Elizabeth Warren ably addressed the problem of sexism and double standards in politics.'

PerkingFaintly · 24/04/2019 17:49

Argh. Looks like last week Prof David Carroll lost the legal battle to stop Cambridge Analytica liquidating.

So IIUC, Cambridge Analytica can now vanish into a puff of smoke taking the personal data it filched with it – while its successor companies like Emerdata can continue to use whatever personal data has been squirrelled away to them. Nice and portable, data.

twitter.com/carolecadwalla/status/1118696105603059713

PerkingFaintly · 24/04/2019 22:03

Facebook to set aside $3bn over investigation
www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-48045138

Facebook has said it will set aside $3bn (£2.3bn) to cover the potential costs of an investigation by US authorities into its privacy practices.

cozietoesie · 24/04/2019 22:22

3billion dollars?? Shock