How much is your class disrupted by bad behaviour?

[Catinthetwat]

I was just wondering how much of a problem behaviour is in the classroom. I keep hearing that it's getting out of hand.

Interested to hear from teachers and TA's...

Maybe then unregulated screens combined with lack of sleep has a lot to answer for?

I understand that but once again we are going down the disruptive kids = Kids with SEND.

I think that it can be the case if the learning is pitched too high for them to access since the new curriculum came in.

100%. I have this boy who I absolutely adore. Many struggle to enjoy his company as he is so moody, but I’ve known him for 6 years and have the biggest soft spot for him. He told me that he went to bed at 4am after playing fortnite, at first I thought it was an exaggeration but after a little questioning I realised he was telling the truth. I did a bit of subtle detective work and questioned a few other children and discovered they had the same habits. Now I understand why they are quite tired and moody all day.

brizzlemint

But these threads often end up as child with send = disruptive child, therefore the school/teacher is to blame.

This is not the case and people really need to stop thinking that way.

The vast majority of children with a send try very very hard in lessons.

That is not to say a child with a send can't be badly behaved.

My teenage Ds has possible sen (currently being assessed) and is at a well respected, outstanding Ofsted school. Behaviour is pretty poor in school and Ds hates the disruption, it makes him very anxious. His sen means that he cannot communicate if he is struggling and will stay silent and not ask for help. So there are also some children with sen who find the disruptive behaviour of their peer group very difficult to deal with.

We how about you change the way you teach as he majority of kids with SEND are highly intelligent.

The methods these kids prefer to learn by is usually beneficial to the whole class as an extra bonus.

Or is it just easier to label these kids as not intelligent to let teachers off the hook.

Maldives2006

Not sure who you are aiming your post at.

I have 20+ visits a day in my ‘isolation room’ from disruptive pupils and not one of them has SEN. This is mainly due to the fact that if a child with SEN escalated then isolation is not an appropriate way to deal with their behaviour.

Out of those 20+ pupils, at least 90% of those children are regular visitors who struggle with their SEMH.

@Maldives2006 I think you are thinking about autism. But this is not the case for all autistic children.
Most children with SEND are quite far behind academically and require a huge amount of additional support.

As a teacher I can say it’s getting worse, I’ve moved schools twice to escape poor behaviour. It’s in every class except a rare few.
Ofsted are right about this one, it is the number one problem affecting learning in schools (within schools control, of course funding crisis is affecting us badly too!)

Or is it just easier to label these kids as not intelligent to let teachers off the hook

Where has anyone done that? Seriously?

We how about you change the way you teach as he majority of kids with SEND are highly intelligent.

While no one mentioned intelligence at all, SEND is very broad and it covers a multitude of diagnoses and problems. The children vary from being years behind their peers,to average,to highly academic.

I think a large number of families are hugely damaging to the children within them.
Those children come to school broken, deprived in a variety of different ways, unable to function well within their own society, unable to communicate emotionally and socially, and they continue to survive but not thrive. Many don’t have diagnosed SN, but when they aren’t even in double figures yet, it’s hard to unpick how much is lack of nurture.
Then there are those that are the cannon fodder in an adult war they have no control over. Or the ones with adults who think love is never denying them anything.
Schools are a mess, in crisis. But children are not quality controlled ingredients, you have to deal with what they actually are, not empty vessels.

My child is dual diagnosed with ADHD (inattentive type), he’s dyslexic, actually is categorised as high potential and has suffered more from teachers ignorance than anything else.

It is getting worse Moo.
35 years teaching in different schools, it’s getting worse in every way. From the curriculum to the financing to the MH, mismanagement if SN, and the lives of the children...it’s getting worse.

I've noticed that the children have much less respect for adults now than in the past.

This is a huge part of the problem with poorly behaved children anywhere but mainly in school. So many are brought up with the idea that the adults are their friends, everyone on first-name terms and so on, they then encounter an environent in which they're expected to conform and to recognise the distinction between them and adults, finding it hard. If they are then backed up by their parents it becomes impossible, the 'My child can do no wrong' type
Schools have had so much authority eroded there are few sanctions left that don't offend the little dears.
Just remember, 'Discipline is what other people's children need'.

I wish there had been an isolation room when I was at school! I always remember kids disrupting classes and the teacher not doing a thing to discipline them!

@Maldives We how about you change the way you teach as he majority of kids with SEND are highly intelligent

What teaching method do you think teachers should use that would stop disruption and enable all pupils, whatever their ability, to learn?

I would say that concentration levels have little to do with mobile phones, given that so many primary age children lack the same ability to focus
I have primary children of my own and from p1 upwards they watch YouTube and have access to games - by age 9 pretty much all of them have a games console. Primary teachers collect phones in at the start of the day and most 10 and 11 year olds have one.

www.understood.org/en/learning-attention-issues/treatments-approaches/educational-strategies/5-benefits-of-inclusion-classrooms

Make sure your learners with additional needs are using all of the assistive technology open to them

Find out what style of learning is best for them probably visual and allow them to utilise their preferred style.

Where there is a report follow the recommendations don’t make kids learn 20 spellings when their working memory doesn’t allow them too, setting them upto fail.

Give them the opportunity to shine these kids may struggle to sit down to write an essay at the drop of a hat but quite often have the ability to dictate an essay.

Make sure any access arrangements are put in place early.

Above all listen to parents and work in partnership as I’m sure we all want the best outcome for our kids.

Children who are disorganised and forgetful are like that because of how their brains work. There is no need to make them feel worse by punishing them and help their parents by developing them strategies to help them to grow rather than damaging their self esteem.

Boney yes, sorry I went off on a tangent trying to correct some myths.

witchtower I understand what you are saying, you shouldn’t have to tolerate being punched etc. I hope you understand what I have been saying, is very much linked to what you are saying!

We are both agreed funding is at fault

It’s a vicious circle of LA’s passing on unlawful policies to school and school sharing this info with parents, which results in lack of funding. As only parents can appeal an EHCP.

Do you see what I mean? You are saying some of the children in your school need 1:1, however then passing on unlawful policies of children not being entitled to 1:1 in your Borough, as this is what you’ve told by the LA!

*I have 20+ visits a day in my ‘isolation room’ from disruptive pupils and not one of them has SEN. This is mainly due to the fact that if a child with SEN escalated then isolation is not an appropriate way to deal with their behaviour.

Out of those 20+ pupils, at least 90% of those children are regular visitors who struggle with their SEMH.*

I’m confused, SEMH is SEN.

Witchtower mentioned the majority of SEND students are unable to access the curriculum due to being “academically far behind”

www.bbc.com/news/education-47898657