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AIBU to think his ex-wife-son are taking us for too much

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Shesonlyworth30 · 17/04/2019 21:04

Long time lurker, first time poster. It’s a long one so apologies in advance.

Been with my DF for almost 7 years, have a 3 (almost 4) yr old and getting married in the summer.

DF was married before (to C - she was also married before and had 2 other sons (both older) and has one son with DF (16 this year) who lives with C in Scotland. DF has never not paid for his son, he even chose to have it deducted straight from wages when CSA were in charge. He didn’t trust C and wanted there to be a proper paper trail if ever she decided to say she never received anything. Since we have been together the payments have been just shy of £200. I have never had a problem with him paying for his son.

C has never let DF speak to son or see him since he was 3. She tried to kill herself a few times (once when pregnant and once when son was born) so DF took parental responsibility for her 2 older sons and their own while she was sectioned. They split up when son was 3 and she told a court it would be detrimental to her mental health to allow DF custody and access. Court agreed. (DF living in north of England at this point and C in Scotland)

Fast forward to last year. CMS took over from CSA and they re-assesses him and told him his payments would need to be £500 a month. We argued that this was a massive increase. They said it was because of what he earned. However they were taking overtime into account which we said was wrong. His overtime was not guaranteed and he did that to pay for our wedding/holidays etc. They said they were right. He went to court and while the judge was sympathetic said there was nothing they could do. He even tried showing them that if he had a basic month, with no overtime, paid the mortgage (a not unreasonable £660) gas, elec etc he physically would not have enough to pay the CMS. They didn’t care. They don’t take household expenses into account. He then said he had another child to support (ours) they said they had allowed £30 pcm for her. £30 bloody quid. That’s not even a day in nursery.

Because C doesn’t want him to know where she is she wants everything doing through the CMS so he has to pay their admin charge (extra £83 pm) and now we are in a vicious cycle. He worked more OT last year to pay her and still have money for our savings but because he earned more he now has to pay more this year £634 pcm!!!!

I’m fed up with it. My daughter doesn’t have £634 a month spent on her from her dad. I expected his payments to go up but AIBU to think this is grossly unfair and there is a fundamental flaw in this thinking. Surely if CMS believe 2 children should cost £664 then that money should be split between the 2?

His son can leave school at any time now but we know she won’t tell us so this could be ongoing for another 4 years because there isn’t a doubt in my mind she’ll make son stay at school if she’s getting £550 odd quid a month. Oh and she’s back with her first husband!! 🤬🤬

OP posts:
Ratatatouille · 18/04/2019 10:54

No way would I happily hand over 600 a month to an ex for a child Ive never seen. I thought with csa etc the parent got more rights to access.

Children are not pay per fucking view. Whilst the adults are busy fighting and trying to cut themselves off from the situation, there is a child that BOTH of his parents were responsible for creating and BOTH of them are responsible for his upkeep. He does not cease to need clothes, food and a roof over his head because his father couldn't be arsed to see him for 13 years and it's now no longer in the child's best interests.

@AuntyCJ I'll tell you what is "vile". Hoping and wishing that a child who was abandoned by his father also ceases to get any financial support from the feckless arsehole. Your morals are in the gutter.

makingmiracles · 18/04/2019 10:58

Can see both sides of this tbh. I’m a Rp and my ex was paying a half decent amount for his children for a very short while, he’s then pushed and pushed for more contact to reduce the amount he had to pay, he changed jobs, got a lower wage, it went down again, he had another child with his new wife so it went down again and then finally(sadly) became very ill and had to give up work, so obviously payments stopped altogether.
From what you have said, it sounds like he was underpaying for a time and now he’s paying more because of it. It must be galling for you but you choose to have a child with him knowing he had one already to support, but I sympathise as £600 pm does sound an awful lot.
I don’t condone him paying less as such, but literally the only way you could change this is if he quits his job, gets something part time and you reverse roles and become the primary earner. CMs cant take into account the partners wage so you would have much more disposable income.

pinkgloves · 18/04/2019 11:06

Speechless that as a mother yourself you can't see how awful his behaviour has been.

EmeraldShamrock · 18/04/2019 11:06

OP I mean this kindly I think you are being very gullible, All your posts think he was a doting father, even took responsibility for the other children.
Can you see all his story paints him in a good light, how can that be when he abandoned his DS.
If ex has severe MH issues, it would have been nice to visit the boy, take him away on holidays.
My Dsis is the same, BIL has 2 abondoned DC, but it is every one elses fault, One lives local.
Be wary of your DP.
All the money in the world won't help his DS with abandonment issues his father forced on him. Sad

pessimisticstateofperception · 18/04/2019 11:18

Your family can take a £450 hit per month to benefit your own child, but it's unfair that he pays £600 a month to support his son who he abandoned?

Well played ops dp, you've really done a number on the op. Hook, line and sinker.

Catchingbentcoppers · 18/04/2019 11:27

@AuntyCJ I'll tell you what is "vile". Hoping and wishing that a child who was abandoned by his father also ceases to get any financial support from the feckless arsehole. Your morals are in the gutter.

Agreed.

thecatsthecats · 18/04/2019 11:34

To be fair, I think the username is a point that the CMS rates her daughter as only being 'worth' £30...

adaline · 18/04/2019 11:47

I reckon, despite her protests, that op is having a very uncomfortable with her dp. Or will be soon.

No, she'll stick her head in the sand and keep playing along with his fantasies, until he fucks off and leaves her and her DD in the same position his ex is in.

Then she'll bleat about what a shit dad he is, how he badmouths her and won't see his DD, all the while ignoring the fact that she chose him as a parent knowing what he was like all along.

DirtyNumbAngel · 18/04/2019 11:55

This has probably already been said but if he could go to court to dispute the CMS assessment, why couldn't he fight for access?

nrpmum · 18/04/2019 11:58

@Shesonlyworth30

I am in a similar situation wrt contact. My DD lives 183 miles away. I have been to court numerous times and there is a child arrangement order in place but my ex still frustrates it to the point that I haven't been able to see DD since Christmas, and he has only allowed a telephone call once. I have now run out of money to go back to court, and it will be at least five years before I can afford to go back which is pointless because she'll be nearly 15 by then. Obviously I pay child support, and will continue to do so. I do write to her, but it is a killer not hearing her voice or getting a hug.

It must be very hard on your husband.

pinkgloves · 18/04/2019 12:03

@nrpmum he spoke to a solicitor. Once. 10 years ago. That's the extent of his trying. Doesn't sound like he's finding it that hard.

He's made much more effort to not pay as much than see his son.

vincettenoir · 18/04/2019 12:06

As much as it would be nice to have the extra o/t money to go towards the wedding, a system where a parent pays more child support when their income goes up is clearly not unreasonable. Even taking into account that his pay is not the same every month - that is not an uncommon scenario, and his payments will go down for the periods his income is lower.

headinhands · 18/04/2019 12:07

This has probably already been said but if he could go to court to dispute the CMS assessment, why couldn't he fight for access?

Good point. Because he cares more about himself.

headinhands · 18/04/2019 12:09

He's made much more effort to not pay as much than see his son.-

Imagine if the son knew that. The op knows that but doesn't get what it says about him.

adaline · 18/04/2019 12:10

This has probably already been said but if he could go to court to dispute the CMS assessment, why couldn't he fight for access?

Because he cares more about himself and his own finances than seeing his own son.

NameChangeNugget · 18/04/2019 12:11

Your DF is a piece of work

Biscuit
nrpmum · 18/04/2019 12:23

We are looking at a snap shot of this man's life. None of us know what he, or his ex is really like. It is viable his ex moved without telling him. Scottish law is completely different on this subject than English law. I can quite well see that the legal costs could be ridiculously expensive and unaffordable.

Really frustrates me that so many people only see it from the RP point of view. I was the RP. My exh went to court whilst our DD was staying with him for a child arrangement order and PSO. When he did that I lost £800 per month income, and then had to pay out child support on top (rightly). If my partner hadn't moved in at the time I would have lost my house because my costs were worked out on what I would have been bringing in when DD was moving with me.

After the cao my exh became very difficult about contact, and also is coercive and controlling with DD which leaves her incredibly upset. So I have to write because he ignores my calls. Fortunately he allows her to receive my letters, but that is it.

So, in short. Not all RPs are angels, and not all NRPs are arseholes.

ILoveMaxiBondi · 18/04/2019 12:26

It must be very hard on your husband.

Except this guy can afford to go to court, much more than you can afford it and yet he hasn’t even gotten as far as you have in the access process. He didn’t even make the first step. So no, he isn’t finding it hard, because he can afford to go for access and hasn’t, for 13 years.

Mapril · 18/04/2019 12:38

Some of you people are vile and I sincerely hope you all practice what you preach and are never in a position where you feel your children are slightly wronged and treated unfairly

I’d say you need to worry more about that than us OP, considering you’re about to marry a man who hasn’t seen his own child in 13 years for reasons of convenience.

ColdTattyWaitingForSummer · 18/04/2019 12:50

Flowers @Nrpmum what you are going through seems awful. I hope you get to see your dd soon.

Bookworm4 · 18/04/2019 13:07

@User987654433
Collect and pay isn't difficult to request; my cousin uses it as his ex would only agree to cash payments and wouldn't give bank details, he requested it to CSA so that he had proof he had made payments as she frequently claimed he gave her nothing. It's a very good way for non rp to prove they are making payments, especially in acrimonious splits.

FudgeBrownie2019 · 18/04/2019 13:08

It must be very hard on your husband.

Yes. It must be so much harder on him than on the child he's chosen to abandon. Poor, poor man, can't see his child because he just can't be arsed to fight for him. Or even drive from Blackpool to Scotland every so often. It's too much for a mere mortal to go through, isn't it?

Your moral code is fucked if the person you feel sympathy for here is the Dad who couldn't be fucked to fight to spend time with HIS OWN CHILD (capitals in case you'd not realised that the child was actually HIS).

The guttersnipes on here pretending that it's fine to walk away from a child are disgusting. It's not fine. It's the lowest of the low, and you should be ashamed giving advice like "he should change job so he has to pay less".

Ratatatouille · 18/04/2019 13:18

@nrpmum you are being kinder than OP's partner deserves. You sound devastated and like you're doing everything possible to see your child. He has got money to save up for weddings and holidays but no money (in 13 years!) to even attempt to gain access to his child. He literally hasn't bothered to try. Your situations could not be more different.

NaturatintGoldenChestnut · 18/04/2019 13:48

OP, you are a walking cliche! The D'P' who already had a kid and he never sees him and the ex is 'psycho', check. Procreates with said boyfriend, check. Jack in FT work to look after sprog by unmarried partner, check. Now resents child support amount boyfriend pays, check.

100% what Graphista and so many others have said.

Poor kid!

LadyRannaldini · 18/04/2019 13:49

If he is not allowed to see his children he shouldn't have to pay anything at all in my world!

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