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Baby in cafe

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Ginnymweasley · 09/04/2019 18:52

Today I was out with my dd(3) and my ds (9 months). We went into a small cafe for lunch, sat down and decided what we were having etc. Waitress came over and we ordered and i asked for a high chair, she informed me there was only 1 high chair and it was in use. So I got ds out if his pram for a bit cause he hates being in it if we are not moving.
He sat on my knee and played for a few mins but then started to get grumpy. He is at that stage where he wants to be moving as much as possible. I got up with him and let him walk around the table a few times holding my hands etc. He wasnt crying or anything just a trying to get down and throwing toys.
A couple came and sat on the table next to us. I stayed stood up with the baby,I didn't go near their table just let him walk around the chair/table to his sister and back. He started shouting a bit, again not crying just babbling loudly. I shushed him, picked him up and tried to distract him. By this point our food arrived.
I strapped him back in his pram and gave him some food to eat. He was again babbling and threw a few bits on the floor. The couple next to us at this point got up,loudly asked to be moved as they didn't like noisy children and parents that couldn't control them. I apologised but they just turned round and said I should have left the cafe as soon as he started making noise but my dd was eating and i was alone so i couldn't do that.
I was so embarrassed, my dd is brilliant when we are out and my ds wasnt screaming just babbling loudly. Wibu?

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LittleChristmasMouse · 10/04/2019 12:13

If it's at say 4 that will mean my dd will be 8 before she can eat outside the home.

Same age gap that I had. We just did not eat out very much. It isn't mandatory. As for going out - yes we went out every day. To playgroups, the park , mother and toddler groups, soft play, tumble tots. Their idea of fun was not going to sit in a cafe.

teletubbies123 · 10/04/2019 12:14

I have taken my children to coffee shops bought them a cake and a drink each. We all enjoyed it know one complained or looked at me strangely.

Piglet89 · 10/04/2019 12:15

My dh did actually take them out a few weeks ago and somebody did actually come up to him and tell him he was such a good dad for taking his children out alone. No one has ever said that to me!!

This. It’s absolutely INFURIATING to think that my husband might be treated as some kind of hero if he takes a small bit of OUR parental leave and takes our son out in public, regardless of the behaviour of the little one. We neither of us have had children before; why am I expected miraculously to know all the parenting rules, hints, tricks and tips, apparently by osmosis, while his life continues relatively unaffected and he is lauded for looking after his own son?

Society comes down hard on MOTHERS in these situations because childcare and child raising is still, even in 2019 MOTHERS’ work.

Ridiculous.

Ginnymweasley · 10/04/2019 12:17

We live rurally there is one playgroup a week and the nearest soft play is half an hour away on the bus. And like I said my parents like to take us out for a meal when they see us, it would be a bit rude of me to say no everytime as it's something they want to do.
I suppose if you love in a city or big town there is more to do with kids but it's just not the case here.

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teletubbies123 · 10/04/2019 12:17

Piglet we have wombs so we should know how to raise our young.

Piglet89 · 10/04/2019 12:18

PLUS you can guarantee our husbands and partners aren’t spending valuable time posting on the rights and wrongs of this situation, because this injustice is simply NOT something with which they generally have to concern themselves. They’re too busy building careers, undertaking hobbies etc.

teletubbies123 · 10/04/2019 12:20

Lets not forget watching football.

Piglet89 · 10/04/2019 12:20

😂 @teletubbies of course. That hadn’t occurred. And man, he strong, he practical, he catch food.

My DH can’t even put up a picture without my help, I swear to God.

Ginnymweasley · 10/04/2019 12:23

I sometimes think as a mother you are expected to have the sunny disposition of a cbeebies presenter and keep your children entertained. But the children should be quiet and well behaved at all times and you can't be too expressive when entertaining them cause then you are performance parenting. You can't take them out to eat until they are 4 when they magically will know how to behave in a restaurant. Babies should be well behaved from the moment they can sit up etc etc.

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EleanorOalike · 10/04/2019 12:23

I don’t have children, although I think little ones are wonderful, and I think the couple were extremely rude and it really sounds like you were doing your best.

That being said, I have had coffees and meals out ruined by inconsiderate parents and have felt like saying something or asking to be moved in the past.

A lot of parents these days don’t seem to use their common sense or take other diners into consideration.

Example A, I had family, with children, staying at my home during the school holidays when I was supposed to be working from home doing some paid writing work. It required a lot of brain work and research so I decided to take myself and my laptop to the local Costa which is quiet and has sockets for the laptop etc so I could get a couple of hours work in undisturbed.

It was all going well, in fact I was the only person there, when a woman walked in with her 2/5 to 3 year old who was already screaming and charging around like a banshee and loudly announced, “Ok, go on you can choose where to sit!” He looked at me, and presumably my shiny computer, and asked if he could sit anywhere and she said yes. Despite there being another 18 or so tables, of course he chose to sit right next to me. And she left him there unsupervised while she waited for the food and coffees. He went on to climb all over the chairs and tables, talking to himself loudly and encroaching on my table an paperwork. When she arrived he continued to be really badly behaved and she continued to performance parent very loudly and seemed annoyed that I wasn’t up for engaging in conversation and didn’t ask him to sit at their own table when he kept shuffling along onto my seat to look at what I was doing on the computer. I had to stop working until they left.

I would have moved but it would have been a huge faff with all the stuff I had with me. Clearly she had neither common sense nor parenting skills and was used to not having any rules or boundaries with her child.

Example B, I went out for a nice meal with my elderly parents. Again, the kind of set up where you can choose your own table. We wanted a bit of quality time and a nice chat so chose an alcove area where no one else was sitting, sort of like a private dining area.

Not long after our drinks arrived a huge family showed up. Grandparents, two sets of parents and 5 kids under the age of 8. Despite it being a massive restaurant with loads of free tables, they made their way over, pushed three tables together and sat directly behind us.

It was utter chaos. One set of parents had three kids two of which were horrifically behaved. Screaming, winding each other up, throwing things, high pitched shrieking because they didn’t want to eat or sit at a table and because they wanted the baby’s toy or to sit next to Nanna, and now Auntie Claire and so on and so on. These were the some of the older children, aged about 5 and 6. To make things worse, they had one tablet and two phones with a different programme on at full volume spread throughout the tables. One of the couples were constantly shouting at their kids and each other for being unable to cope with their kids and, frequently saying “Ben stop it, you are annoying the people on the other table”, “Freddie, no one wants to hear you moaning, those people are getting fed up with you now.”

Not one of the six adults there showed enough common sense to either move tables, apologise for the behaviour or...not to have chosen to sit with one group of adults sitting alone in a nice quiet area in the first place!

So whilst the OP wasn’t in the wrong, I think that some parents do definitely get it wrong and need to show a bit more consideration for the other people they are sharing a space with.

One of our local restaurants has a separate family area were they sit all the people with children together and all the adult only parties in a separate area. That seems to be one of the better options. The kids area has an indoor play area and a craft table too. Obviously not an option for a local independent cafe but well thought out by the owners of this particular place.

Boshmama · 10/04/2019 12:23

I actually can't believe these comments - do people on this site not actually have children? I created an account just to reply! You OP are not in ANY WAY being unreasonable. Your son was acting like a baby, because he is a baby. Your daughter sounds like a dream. I am always out and about with my 5 month old, because she is a little person not an accessory who should just be kept at home. How is she meant to learn about the world. Babies cry, it's their only form of communication. People saying mums should leave coffee shops need to get a grip!!! If peace and quiet is so important to you - STAY AT HOME YOURSELF. Honestly. Unbelievable.

Mums and babies/ children have every right to be wherever they want. If people don't like it they should stay at home and twiddle their thumbs, don't let this put you off going out OP. You sound like a fantastic mama x

Ginnymweasley · 10/04/2019 12:28

boshmama my dd is brilliant tbf. She loves going out for tea and cake in our local beach cafe. She is well behaved and knows how to behave when out and about. Maybe because she's been going to cafes since she was a baby. Obviously my ds hasn't caught on yet cause he mainly just seems to understand the words food and milk etc at this point. He currently giggles when you say no which is kinda counter productive.

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LittleChristmasMouse · 10/04/2019 12:28

I just cannot wait until all your kids are older. Let's see how much you appreciate other people's children "just being children" then.

LaurieMarlow · 10/04/2019 12:29

I would have moved but it would have been a huge faff with all the stuff I had with me. Clearly she had neither common sense nor parenting skills and was used to not having any rules or boundaries with her child.

I mean, I understand that was annoying, but you have no more rights to treat the coffee shop like your office than she had to treat it like a playgroup.

You should have moved. It's a bit ridiculous to bring so much stuff with you that you found that difficult.

Ginnymweasley · 10/04/2019 12:30

I've always liked children so I can't see it been an issue tbh but then again I was the teenager that helped run a local outdoor group for children so maybe I'm not normal.

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Sagradafamiliar · 10/04/2019 12:30

To have worded their complaint the way they did and loudly enough so you could hear it was nasty. There is no two ways about it.
YWNBU OP just be happy you're not like them. They must find life very hard and be in a constant state of annoyance and misery to have not only been so perturbed as to move away from you, but seen fit to have a dig at you as well.

HenSolo · 10/04/2019 12:35

I’m just laughing at this thread now tbh

LittleChristmasMouse demanding we tell her where to go so she doesn’t have to be around kids Grin

And people banging on about parents who let their kids run riot. That is not what happened here. It is also not what happened to me when I’ve been told off or publicly criticised. A lot of the time we have merely had the audacity to enter a room and had tuts and rolled eyes. So of course we are a little sensitive about it - I do not like being treated like a piece of shit on your shoe because I have small children.

LittleChristmasMouse · 10/04/2019 12:37

You should have moved. It's a bit ridiculous to bring so much stuff with you that you found that difficult.

Oh my life. And that attitude isn't entitled? The PP was in an empty coffee shop. The mum comes in and lets her kids rampage around, disturbing the customer who was working but the answer is that it's her fault for being there and she should move????

And that is exactly the attitude that I see every time I go out from parents of children.

LittleChristmasMouse · 10/04/2019 12:39

LittleChristmasMouse demanding we tell her where to go so she doesn’t have to be around kids grin

Not demanding but we all know that child free places do not exist so telling people to go to them as though that is the solution is a bit pointless.

HenSolo · 10/04/2019 12:39

I just cannot wait until all your kids are older. Let's see how much you appreciate other people's children "just being children" then.

I know already that if I ever see a mother struggling, in a cafe or anywhere else, I will go over and help her if I can. (Not that it sounds like you needed any help op, from what it sounds like you were doing fine) or at least give them a smile!

LaurieMarlow · 10/04/2019 12:40

The PP was in an empty coffee shop

With all her work stuff. So much that she found it difficult to move.

I acknowledged it was annoying, but really, setting up shop in a coffee shop with a load of papers and laptops and then not budging isn’t exactly smart.

EleanorOalike · 10/04/2019 12:40

@LaurieMarlow Costa are fine with people bringing their laptops etc to do work from, if they weren’t they wouldn’t have sockets or have so many people taking their work there.

The woman should not have allowed to let her toddler, who she couldn’t manage, to choose the one table next to someone who was clearly working when there were another 18 free tables.

LaurieMarlow · 10/04/2019 12:42

And they’re also fine with kids. 🤷‍♀️

I’m not saying her behaviour was perfect, just that you didn’t help yourself.

MRex · 10/04/2019 12:42

@LittleChristmasMouse - I knew you'd come back with a "no because" type of answer. If there aren't many places to go out where you live then it's hardly surprising that you find mothers in the couple of establishments that exist at the specific times listed (you note them so you know you can avoid them by going for lunch between 1 and 3 for example). You obviously didn't read all the options either, no answer to the suggestion to just go out for dinner instead! ("No because people drink and are loud / I can sleep at 7 / ... [insert other random excuse]"). It's really unfortunate that you have a negative outlook on life, but you're the only one who can fix that.

EleanorOalike · 10/04/2019 12:44

@LaurieMarlow I had a coat, one laptop, a laptop bag, a work bag and some papers. Plus a coffee, some water and some food.

That’s not excessive for someone working in a cafe but it is a lot to move alone when you’re sat in a corner seat and would have to move past said toddler and his mother several times.

As it is, I didn’t say anything or cause a fuss, I wasn’t rude, I just stopped working.

I wasn’t the problem. The woman was. But clearly you disagree.