Leavers being so dead against a second referendum is just proof they know they'll lose, surely?

[stillpinching]

If we had one and they won again it would be the ultimate confirmation that it really is the will of the people.

By refusing to countenance it and describing it as a betrayal they may as well say it's not the will of the people anymore we're insisting on honouring something no one with any sense and without a vested interest wants and we should therefore call it off.

We're being forced into something the people who most support it clearly know is no longer the people's choice that's going to do horrible damage to the country. Just why can no one stop it???

Not again ... so if there WAS a second referendum, and Remain won, then would it be ok for Leavers to keep on until they get ANOTHER referendum .... and so on ad nauseam?

I think the majority Unionist community favour peace and prosperity over bullshit. The DUP only offers bullshit.

I think the majority Unionist community favour peace and prosperity over bullshit. The DUP only offers bullshit.

True, but the unionist community vote for the DUP, no matter what issues they might have with them.

It would require serious diplomatic work. I’d love to hear suggestions on what would be done.

Who cares we’re gonna leave with no deal and it’ll be fine.

Said the poster who knows nothing, as Jaguar/LandRover scale down operations due to Brexit.

Idiot.

The DUP managed to trounce OUP, just as those Sinn Fein twats did with SDLP. With things being so tense and uncertain it is hard to quiet those voices. Hard but not impossible.

ginghamstarfish

“if there WAS a second referendum, and Remain won, then would it be ok for Leavers to keep on until they get ANOTHER referendum .... and so on ad nauseam?”

Of course. There was a referendum in the 70s and the UK voted to be in the EU. Leavers kept on and on ad nauseum until they got their referendum (the second one ) in 2016. People can push for referendums on whatever they want - we are in a democracy. Why would you wnat to stop a democratic process like that?

The DUP managed to trounce OUP, just as those Sinn Fein twats did with SDLP

Well that's the problem isn't it. Opinion lurched towards the extremes.

Danger is that you force this through and the UVF get busy again.

MontStMichel you may not have changed your mind, but it would be silly to assume that everybody were so childish. A mature, intelligent person is flexible enough to remain open to new evidence, and change their opinion accordingly.

I see how a separate economic zone would could work for NI but I think the cost to the union would be high.

@dreichuplands , tell me more about the cost to the Union.

I think some people saw a different QT to me. It was the petulant Charles Moore who talked over everyone, including the audience, despite being repeatedly told to shut up.

When that arch Brexiteer, Jacob Rees-Mogg, tells us it will take 50 years for the economy to recover we should listen. Particularly since he’s put his money where his mouth is and moved his business to Dublin. You know - in the EU.

I sincerely hope that they believe that and that it comes to pass. Heard Peter Oborne, brexit tory commentator, retracting support on radio earlier so hopefully reality is beginning to penetrate.

bellini I meant that if you ended up in a situation where NI has a special economic relationship with the EU this would be great for NI and more power to their elbow.
However I think it could have a seriously destabilizing impact on the Union between the rest of the UK and Scotland. Scotland also voted to remain and has been consistently ignored since. If NI then ended up with economic benefits the rest of the UK didn't have then I see that only increasing the pressure for Scottish independence and the instability that brings.
I don't think solutions for NI can be looked at in isolation from the rest of the UK.

@MrPan lol thanks. Are you 2? Is that why you need to resort to name calling?

your worrying about nothing. It’s all scare mongering crap.

chocchoc pray share with us your wisdom to how you know it will all be fine? I'm presuming you're super wealthy and therefore sheltered from any economic shock felt by No Deal as an outcome?

I accept your point about Scotland @dreichuplands and I think that there needs to be a fresh referendum on Scottish independence following the clear Brexit vote there. When Scotland is ready for it (which may be now ). I was previously against Scottish secession from the union but I think the Brexit referendum makes that harder to argue.
But the Scottish situation is not the same as NI. It just isn't. Scotland is not a conquered nation- royally shafted by Westminster and Edinburgh on lots of issues but not the same as NI.

Give it a rest OP

Careful @Kirsty, my post saying the last sentence of your first paragraph was - God knows why - reported and deleted the other day.

It’s not unpleasant. It’s a fact.

The problem is.... The UK is meant to be democratic, so if they hold another ref and we all remain, the leavers will have a paddy. So even if we know leaving is a disaster, it would be against democracy even though it really doesn't feel like a democratic society anyway......

I keep asking this question but no one can give me answers. What are the actual as in not made up, not a maybe not what so and so says might happen the real facts of what WILL happen should we leave the EU.