Homophobia within the Muslim community

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Please can we keep this thread calm and good natured as this is a genuine question.
I was genuinely shocked at a spokesperson for the Muslim community on GMB condemning gay people as sinful. Saying being gay is fundamentally wrong. Saying most Muslim people vehemently believe this. Is this true? Or are gay Muslims tolerated within the community? What would happen if a Muslim teenager was gay. Would the family disown them?
Genuine question. I suppose I mix in circles that are tolerant of homosexuality.
Please keep comments nice and friendly.

No thanks the fact these parents have these views and think it’s ok to hide their children from hearing reason and you think it’s ok illustrates exactly why they’re much needed.

@wpodhill would also like to point you to my OP where I stated that most people aren’t interested in hearing about what really goes on and would rather virtue signal.

And sorry people should not have freedom to express religion when it puts the well-being of others at risk.

Thank you Giant, so no excuse for their behaviour

You can’t force a viewpoint on someone.
People need to be able to have freedom of expression of religion

Thankfully in the UK we have freedom of expression and worship! We also have a National Curriculum.
These lessons are teaching children that we live in a society where people live different lifestyles and we should corxist in our country without judgement. The protesting parents seem to not want their kids exposed to such tolerance.
They should not be able to dictate what should be taught in a state school that working parents and other taxpayers fund.

I think it's awful that they're trying to get the programme dropped. Why an earth would we want to go backwards, especially when people have spent years fighting this kind of hate?

I think parents have the freedom to observe and pass on their religious beliefs at home, and in their church. I do think that if children are at a standard state school, then they need to accept that the mainstream orthodoxy of the state and school is going to be prevalent in the school environment.

They can make their views clear to the School Board, and the School Board should be open to consultation, but ultimately - this is up to the State and School.

Islam is quite vile in its purest form
What a load of twaddle. You may disagree with Islam, your choice but no, it isn’t vile .
The rest of your post reads as hate filled scare mongering. If you really are on the periphery as you claim to be; edge in a bit closer, you might be surprised at the love shown to you.
Needless to say, your ‘insiders ‘ view is at odds with mine.

I think all schools and workplaces in the UK should not accept any homophobia. Some religions seem to have issues with gay people and Islam seems to be one of them.

Stone-
I get what you are saying, however “LGBTQ” lessons in primary school, will not be in line with views of parents who hold certain religious views. I think although not everyone agrees with these views, the reality is that they exist and we have to find a way forward. I don’t think forcing people to act against their conscience is the way to go. It’s substituting one form or prejudice for another.

The ‘programme ‘ supports the transgender ideology too. Are you happy with that? Brainwashing young kids with gender identities in place of biological truth. Wake up . The media aren’t peddling this story because of LGB the real drive behind all this is pushing through acceptance if T at any cost.

LGBQT lessons.

You do realise they’re not teaching them to be gay don’t you.

There are story books with hetro couples in, why can’t there be books with gay couples? They make up a part of society.

. “You're just defending people who use their religion as license to be cunts to others.”

I don’t think the parents are targeting anyone though are they- they simply don’t want their child to have this topic covered at primary school age. I think it is reasonable request. I think people are quite quick to jump to conclusions of homophobia, whilst showing little respect to people’s cultural and religious perspective. It’s like reverse intolerance.

“The ‘programme ‘ supports the transgender ideology too. Are you happy with that? “
I think there will be plenty of parents concerned with what is being taught on this front, religious or not.
I question the right of the state to teach what ever it wants in schools, regardless of parental wishes.

They have voiced their homophobia quite clearly.

And they have no right to impose their views on the school curriculum and demand lessons they don’t like to be pulled. The program has been looked at and passed as totally acceptable by Ofsted. I don’t like my son learning about a religion that thinks he shouldn’t exist but I don’t demand it gets pulled.

I do wonder if anyone would be supporting freedom of expression if it were EDL members demanding Islam isn’t taught in R.E.
People in support of this most likely have their own issues with acceptance of LGBT, hopefully these lessons will help your children will become more accepting people than you.

missymoo100

Nobody is being forced - the books only teach that some people’s lives are different to others. That is teaching fact. You cannot expect a state school to teach what is not true or we may as well go back to the dark ages and book burning.
Any attempt to bring children up in ignorance of what a modern liberal British society looks like is scary.
Parents can teach children at home what they want them to believe but they cannot expect state funded schools to compound ignorance and intolerance.

Some of these parents are living parallel lives where genders are segregated and women do not leave the home to work or mix in wider society at any level. This is an attempt to impose narrow religious and cultural views on state funded schools - no way is that acceptable in the UK.
As a tax paying working citizen (I couldn’t find that much time to stand outside my kids school) I object strongly to my taxes being asked to fund intolerance in school.

Frankly if those ‘parents’ (they are not all parents of kids in that school) have nothing to do except stand outside a school baying at teachers and kids, they should take their kids home and be subject to fines for not sending them in.

People keep posting that because other religions have similar views on gay people I shouldnt ask specifically about the UK Muslim community's views on gay people. I was interested specifically about the views of the mainstream UK Muslim community as the guy on GMB was so vehemently homophobic. I think its useful to find out about these things, amd I was genuinely interested. Its a shame you cant genuinely be interested in finding out more and have a friendly, polite debate without being accused of singling out Muslims or being incendiary. Its just genuine interest. Thanks to everyone for their views. Its a fascinating topic.

Yes they do seem to have time on their hands

What's your take from the thread and from the Muslims who posted, OP?

thankssomuchforthat

Yes It’s bizarrre - you are asking about an issue of current affairs played out by some Muslim ‘parents’ and someone asks ‘why ask about Muslim parents’!
Duh!

I know many mosques close to me in sermons talk against homosexuality and say it is a sin.
The only gay Muslim I have met was a woman whose parents were okay with her, but who was pretty rejected by the wider Muslim community.

Christianity in Britain has in general become more liberal over the last 50 years, Islam has not.

modern liberal British society looks like is scary.

What is modern liberal British society? We have a multicultural society and not everyone has the same liberal values.

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/apr/11/british-muslims-strong-sense-of-belonging-poll-homosexuality-sharia-law

In a survey half of all Muslims wanted it to be made illegal.
Locked up for being gay, imagine that!
Still, better than throwing them off rooftops I suppose.

No of course not everyone is liberal in any religious community. But in general in the last 50 years liberal attitudes of allowing people to live their life as they want as long as it does not harm anyone, have slowly developed.