Homophobia within the Muslim community

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Please can we keep this thread calm and good natured as this is a genuine question.
I was genuinely shocked at a spokesperson for the Muslim community on GMB condemning gay people as sinful. Saying being gay is fundamentally wrong. Saying most Muslim people vehemently believe this. Is this true? Or are gay Muslims tolerated within the community? What would happen if a Muslim teenager was gay. Would the family disown them?
Genuine question. I suppose I mix in circles that are tolerant of homosexuality.
Please keep comments nice and friendly.

No one should be told what to believe but functioning societies are built on tolerance. We are not a country who’s laws are built on religion.
People suffer because of bigoted views and this should not be accepted, from any religion for any reason.
We wouldn’t allow people to speak out against schools partaking in black history month because they’re parents don’t like black people - it’s ridiculous.
They’re worried their kids may make their own minds up. Their kids are being forced to not learn about different people and relationships because they want to control what they hear, if anyone needs the LGBT lessons, it’s kids who’s parents want to deny them access to it as these are most likely going to become the kids with no tolerance for it or in the unfortunate situation that they discover it affects them and can’t cope.

No the state shouldn’t tell the parents how to raise their children. Parents should bring their children up in accordance with their own values
It is not tolerant to think you are right and interfere
Bring up your kids in your own home how you like - what is taught in a public school is not dictated by a vocal minority. Educate them at home if you want to teach intolerance.

It’s not accurate to say that “Christians” hold the same views. Some do. However there are gay ministers in some denominations, there are ones living with partners. Liberal Christians do not believe it’s wrong to be gay.

So people have the right to hold racist views to think they are superior to be white, can raise their children believing that.

My child has the right to go to school and into society never coming across homophobic views;to not come across people who think he is fundamentally wrong. You have no idea how damaging leaving homophobic views unchallenged is to the mental health of gay children. The safeguarding of my child trumps abhorrent religious views.

a number of posters have referred to Catholic views on homosexual sex etc - the key thing in Catholic teaching is the exercising of individual conscience - you can’t get shunned by ‘the community’ for following what you believe is right in all conscience.

“abhorrent religious views.”

That’s it though, it’s abhorent in your view but not everyone thinks the same. You view it as intolerance but is that having a prejudice against religious people?
I think parents should have the right to remove their child from the class if it is not inkeeping with their values. It shouldn’t be mandatory for primary school aged children to have this lesson.

So you’re saying homophobia and racism aren’t abhorrent.

newbuild our society and laws have been built on Christianity, I get it's not the same as a more fundamentalist regime .

“What if their values include fgm, forced marriage, honor killings, incest, spare the rod spoil the child etc etc etc? The notion that parents should have an absolute right to do with their children however they please is preposterous.”

As i said within the bounds of the law, and not causing harm/injury to another.

Nordic

Who mentioned racism? Simply stating your religious viewpoint we homosexuality and wishing to abstain from this particular class is not homophobic.

Homophobia does cause damage to others- huge mental health issues, increased possibility of hate crime.

One of the most inspirational religious speakers I used to listen to on Radio 4 was Rabbi Lionel Blue, a British liberal Jewish rabbi. He was homosexual. So much wisdom, insight and tolerance

The community I was on the periphery of. I am still I suppose. Take a dim view of homosexuality. They are fairly liberal and progressive as far as Muslims go (take out mortgages, drink, listen to music, go to office Christmas parties, have non Muslim friends, pray woth both sexes present, women don’t routinely cover up, eat meat that isn’t halal so long as it isn’t pork and so on). The milenial generation would be by and far 100% ok with it, the few that took issue would keep it to themselves. Their parents generation would stay away from non muslim homosexuals and would ostracise Muslim homosexuals. To put into into perspective they’ve openly condemned women who married non Muslims (partially out of the feeling that their sons have been cheated of potential wives) and one man beat (literally) his adult daughter when he found out she was having a relationship with a non Muslim. Islam is quite vile in its purest form and is only tempered by individuals interpreting it in a reasonable way. Unfortunately Muslim communities can act as echo chambers for unreasonable interpretations. Obviously those of us who live on the periphery and mostly only surface to weddings and funerals aren’t like this but the people who are active in the community are very much as I have described. On the surface you wouldn’t be able to tell these people from atheists much of the time. Very few people know what goes on behind closed doors andvery few care. They’re more interested in virtue signalling.

That’s it though, it’s abhorent in your view but not everyone thinks the same.

Abhorent based on our laws. Those laws that define our society. So not just my views but society's generally. You're just defending people who use their religion as license to be cunts to others.

It is homophobic and it’s the same as racism. Thinking gay couples are wrong and less worthy than hetro couples is the same as thinking skin colour makes you less worthy. Soooo that’s why I brought it up. In for a penny in for a pound. If homophobia is ok in your perfect world then racism surely is.

Simply stating a religious viewpoint is not homophobic in itself. Here the parents are not engaging in a hate crime by saying they want the right to withdraw their child. They haven’t broken the law.

Totally different concepts Nordic. How old is your dc anyway?

That's interesting, but very depressing BigFatGiant Was this school (Parkfield) was also involved in the Trojan Horse scandal? Is there a particularly extreme flavour of Islam being pushed in this area?

I have a family member who is very homophobic. Right up until the point that he can hate on Islam and Muslims for being homophobic, then it's incredible how upset he can get on behalf of the LGBT community. While supporting Christian sects that share the same view.

Me and my gay daughter look on with increasing amusement.

Bigfat is this more a cultural issue to some extent and linked to honour! and shame and saving face in the community and maintaining control?

The beating of your adult dc in this day and age is shocking

Demanding a program be dropped is unacceptable and homophobic as is thinking gay people are sinful. You can do something about the former and people expressing such hideous views in public.

And they are the same concepts. You don’t choose to be gay or your skin colour. Nobody has the right to think you’re a lesser being for either.

@limer no particular school. Many of these children were actually sent to expensive Christian schools. Just to be clear this happened in Australia where Muslims are better integrated. It’s not the stereotypical Muslim community you think of in the uk. I would imagine it’s worse here from what I have seen of how Muslim communities work in Britain. They mostly look white, many are quite wealthy or highly educated, they don’t live in any specific area (spread across a city of about 1 million).

missymoo100

Better start removing your kids from history lessons, religious education, citizenship, humanities etc etc - as they all teach the celebration of difference, importance of equality, tolerance and the consequences of discrimination in any form that includes the barbarism of societies that deny human right to all.
Your kids will get exposed to lots of viewpoints and have the chance to debate their views openly with others - that is what creates a broad educated mind that allows a person to freely choose what they want to believe - not just believe what a parent or religion tells them they need to believe!

Well I also think it’s unacceptable to force a family to make their child participate in a lesson which is against their own values and beliefs.
I think people need to accept that if we live in a multicultural society there has to be compromise. You can’t force a viewpoint on someone.
People need to be able to have freedom of expression of religion.