Homophobia within the Muslim community

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Please can we keep this thread calm and good natured as this is a genuine question.
I was genuinely shocked at a spokesperson for the Muslim community on GMB condemning gay people as sinful. Saying being gay is fundamentally wrong. Saying most Muslim people vehemently believe this. Is this true? Or are gay Muslims tolerated within the community? What would happen if a Muslim teenager was gay. Would the family disown them?
Genuine question. I suppose I mix in circles that are tolerant of homosexuality.
Please keep comments nice and friendly.

Being liberal is subjective to some extent as some would say that following Jesus is liberating.

All flat earth ‘parents’ needs to start protesting at school gates to get Geography banned!
Holocaust deniers neeed to queue up to get History banned.
Vegans neeed to queue up to get Food Technology banned
Creationist need to queue up to get Science bannned

Seriously - our government needs to act on this attempt to sieze control of British liberal education.

Homosexuality its seen as any other sin(drinking alcohol, eating pork etc etc)so no need to excomunicate anyone or ban them from the mosque or kill them etc etc. Muslims think homosexuality is wrong but dont think gays should be abused, so not homophobic from my point of view. Dont agree but its not my business kinda thing. Cant see why all the fuss.

woodhill liberal is a political concept, it is very different from the concept of liberating.

Needadvices Please don't speak for all Muslims everywhere. There are plenty of Muslim countries where gay people are routinely tortured and killed and Imans preach for that to happen.

Well what do you suggest Missy, every time parents don’t like something on the curriculum it gets pulled.

What is so scary about modern liberal society? Gay people roaming freely.It is what it is. I’m sure you could find a stricter society elsewhere if you really prefer and the UK is so scary.

This is a really interesting topic for me because in Portugal we've had an MP, presumably catholic, protesting against similar teachings by an LGBT organization saying something like "our children shouldn't be taught this filth".
But many people defend his right for free speech and nobody is linking his words to his religion, although I know many who'd agree with him.

But I know that if he was Muslim the entire community would be questioned and bashed.

Muslims think homosexuality is wrong but dont think gays should be abused

Well, yes ... apart from the Muslims who enjoy pushing homosexuals off tall buildings.

I also condemn Catholics who preach that.

The truth is we should not accept any religion having any say over state education. All state education should be secular. To have otherwise is detrimental and dangerous.

Nordic I haven’t expressed my own personal feelings/views anywhere on this thread, only that people have a right to their religious views and difference of opinion.
i think we don’t have a modern liberal society, we have a multicultural society now. That means that there will be a conflict of views- I don’t know how you resolve it, you tell me??

claire im speaking for the islamic religion. Not for iran/iraq whatever country u are thinking of. If that was the islamic law it would happen in ALL the muslim countries. Imams preach abput it doesnt mean anything too , depending on where it can easily be governament influence etc. In the islamic religion homosexuality its just a sin.

@woodhill even if it were cultural that wouldn’t be an excuse but in this case it’s religiously justified not culturally.

@yossarian I am glad you have had a more positive experience but have you actually read the Koran? If you read it in its entirety literally which is how it was intended by its writer who is presumably Allah then it is appalling. It is those of us who read it in the context of our own inner morality and natural repulsion for violence and senseless discrimination that makes it acceptable and humane. My family was on the periphery because we were forced out for our liberal version of Islam. Because we ate pork products, didn’t punish with corporal punishment, didn’t pray the proper way, didn’t didn’t circumcise etc we were bad Muslims. And to be fair it is the text. We were good people but I can’t disagree that we were pretty shit Muslims. Nonetheless I did grow up with a lot of these people. I was allowed into their houses and saw how they treated each other and how they used what was supposedly our religion to justify it. I was included more than my parents by families with sons for reasons that I am sure are quite obvious. I’ve had an intimate view ofwent on on the inside so to say. It was shocking. Marital rape, child beating, men hitting their wives and all of this is permitted by Islam on a strict reading. This is why they accept this kind of behaviour. My family weren’t like that. My grandparents and parents mostly cherry picked Islamic principles of spiritual value and ignored all the shit but our way of practicing Islam has little official recognition and limited theological support. Ultimately I turned away completely but I can completely understand how some people can have very positive experiences of Islam. But when a man rapes his wife because it’s his right as a Muslim no amount of Muslims who don’t do that will compensate. Yours is a case of NAMALT m standing for Muslims in this case. Islam give justification and even moral superiority to people who like to do base things. There is currently no alternate version of Islam to what you can read in the Koran. Not officially or coherently. The Koran is the purest form of islam, it is it’s basis. Unless more enlightened Muslims choose to stand together a schism and find a new basis that is going to be the case indefinitely.

Needadvices There is not one islamic religion as practised. Sharia courts use different so called sharia law in different countries.
I am not interested in what religious scholars say is the "true" interpretation of islam. I am interested in how it is actually practised and what most imans in different countries are preaching.

@clairemcnam exactly!

It’s a clash of cultures. I doubt this programme is being taught in Jewish faith schools either or catholic schools. I think starting it in a Muslim majority school was a mistake.

You don’t need to look at Portugal - look at the DUP in Northern Ireland (now pulling strings in our government). I condemn the DUP as an offensive homophobic party but don’t condemn all citizens of NI because of it.
However, this is a Muslim group of ‘parents’ trying to influence the National Curriculum taught in State funded schools.
No way should taxpayers be funding a school to teach a curriculum sculpted to suit this narrow minded group of Muslim
Parents in Brum.

Agree that in Britain which I know more about, that marital rape is common and endorsed by the Muslim community I have knowledge of.
It is how things were in the Christian community in Britain 70 or more years ago.

Well I also think it’s unacceptable to force a family to make their child participate in a lesson which is against their own values and beliefs.

Part of an education is dealing with different ideas. My daughter recently had a RE lesson on, as my daughter put it, the Muslim view of suffering and it's connection to the afterlife. I told my daughter how I disagreed with the ideas as she presented them (I've really no idea how accurate that are), that suffering being part of a test for the afterlife or makes people better is an awful concept that for centuries has been used to keep suffering people suffering. We discussed it. I'm not going to demand she be pulled or not learn that this belief exists just because I disagree with it. Plenty of people believe off things like Holocaust deniers or that girls' education should be more limited, that doesn't mean schools should alter lessons or who is in them accordingly. As an immigrant, I'm perfectly able to accept British schools teaching their way and accept that as part of sending a child to school here.

With my experience of the media, I suspect that they will have gone around until they found someone inflammatory enough for them. It's sad that these views are out there in any community and those negatively affected need support, but there is too much different in thought across the Muslim community for one to be representative.

"Needadvices
In the islamic religion homosexuality its just a sin."

For which, just over half of all British Muslims, think Gays should be sent to prison.

stairway This was not a faith school, it is a secular school.

You are only interested to hear things that support your idea of muslims torturing gays🤷‍♀️ lots of that point of view on this thread. And on mumsnet in general. So carry on. I refer myself to the Quran itself And the Jews will not be pleased with you, nor the Christians until you follow their religion. Say; “Surely Allah's guidance, that is the (true) guidance”. And if you follow their desires after the knowledge that has come to you, you shall have no guardian from Allah, nor any helper (120). And leave you to your muslim bashing

children well if they say so it must be true ....no one asked me or any of my friends so...

Perhaps saying religious views are abhorrent and have no part in “modern liberal Britain” is a form of islamophobia

Lweji:
"What's your take from the thread and from the Muslims who posted, OP?"

To be honest, I'm more confused than ever, and a bit depressed after reading a lot of the posts. My main thought is that I worry that the UK is going backwards rather than forwards in terms of tolerance of gay people, after making such progress in recent years.
I do find it hard to compromise tolerance of certain religions with their intolerant views on gay people.