Homophobia within the Muslim community

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Please can we keep this thread calm and good natured as this is a genuine question.
I was genuinely shocked at a spokesperson for the Muslim community on GMB condemning gay people as sinful. Saying being gay is fundamentally wrong. Saying most Muslim people vehemently believe this. Is this true? Or are gay Muslims tolerated within the community? What would happen if a Muslim teenager was gay. Would the family disown them?
Genuine question. I suppose I mix in circles that are tolerant of homosexuality.
Please keep comments nice and friendly.

Theres been sme truly pathetic attempts to try and make this an issue amongst liberals. Its pretty clear really as far as theyre concerned, religion has no place in politics or education.

Moslem is not offensive for crying out loud, how could it possibly be? I know lots of Bosnians who use Moslem.

Good article on The Guardian website on this today:

www.theguardian.com/education/2019/mar/27/caught-in-middle-queer-muslims-lgbtq-lessons-schools-protests

(Hope the link works!)

Though a Muslim person would be justified in wondering why exactly someone would go to the bother of using a more archaic form of address when there is a more-practiced form of address.

Welcome to modern Britain... where the views of people from other countries and cultures come first....

I've never heard it spoken Pat but I've definitely come across it written.
I thought the same.

My feeling is, they have a right to their beliefs, just as I have a right not to believe in religion as a whole.
However,I'm not going on national television or standing outside of school refusing to let my DCs go in because the school (rightfully) teaches RE. Likewise, I don't foist my views on my DCs, allowing them to reach their own, informed, opinions.

I worry that we are about to go back to a time when being gay was dirty, disgusting and criminal. As a bisexual woman, I find that incredibly upsetting.
I'm also Catholic, another religion which wasn't keen on homosexuality. It's not like that most of the time now, the Pope actually asked for tolerance recently.

There are many aspects of the Muslim religion which I find troubling, and hope it doesn't become the accepted norm via the backdoor- the way they treat their women and daughters, "honour" and their attitude that underage sex is fine for instance.

Those who have removed their children should be dealt with just as you and I would if we removed our offspring-with a fine for missing school.

I should explain, I was brought up Catholic, I decided not to practice it some years ago

I think it would be more productive to consider these parents as homophobic than to equate them with Islam, as practised by the wider community.

I have similar issues living in a still fairly traditional catholic country.
There are still some cries of " gay indoctrination" if an LGBT organization dares to give an extra class seminar in a school. Except that this instance of homophobia is not equated with the entire Catholic community. But if a group of muslim parents said the same thing, then the whole community would be tagged as homophobic.

Well we are Christian and one of our daughters is gay, we have absolutely no problem with it. It’s all about tolerance surely.

The MCB do not speak for all muslims , the faith is not like Catholicism where the Pope is final authority .
The pope doesn’t speak for all Catholics either, not in my case anyway. Muslims rely on the koran for guidance. Some interpret it too literally. It’s all about common sense.

Welcome to modern Britain... where the views of people from other countries and cultures come first....

not really, is it? Your post comes across as wrong and bitter.

OP, if you're genuinely interested and your intention is not to be incendiary, then this thread might be useful
Why should it be incendiary, there’s often threads about Christianity, usually absolutely slated, nobody thinks that then.

Whether it's true or not he shouldn't have been allowed to voice such views. Homophobic and deeply damaging for any gay child having the misfortune to hear it.

Whilst homophobia is not accepted by many religions surely we are talking her about what is taught in schools under UK law and who is protesting. Are other sets of parents protesting about this? Catholics, jews?

If many are and it's only the muslim community protests that are being covered in the press, then that's wrong. However if this is a community saying 'no not ever' as opposed to 'no not now' then it is wrong. The UK law trumps religion. When you live in a country (and I have lived abroad) you live by rules of that country. As another poster pointed out where the government make concessions where religious beliefs are cited it is slippery slope and it doesn't sit well with the general population.

However if this is a community

It's not the whole community, though, is it?

not really, is it? Your post comes across as wrong and bitter

Really? Ok...so should all of Britain adhere to the rules or just some? Why should some people have to welcome everyone but others are able to object? Please give an educated, reasonable response..

I hope they don't succeed with their protest. How can you teach children to be tolerant, inclusive and open minded if you are unable to teach about different types of relationships?

I think the Muslim community has to have a good look at itself because because they also want to live in a tolerant and open minded society. (And their lives are far from easy when it comes to being judged by others.) It really works both ways.

Many religions condemn homosexual relationships. Catholics, evengenlical christians and rastafarians to name just the first few that spring to mind.

I know several families who are hardcore Protestants, free presbyterian, fundamentalist types. The children aren't allowed to attend birthday parties or watch telly on a Sunday and they all go to church twice, morning and evening.

They do not believe that homosexuality is OK. They withdraw their kids from PHSE lessons which teach about equal marriage or give the message that gay relationships are as valid as heterosexual ones.

Being a bigot isn't exclusively a Muslim trait.

I am Christian and have been a member of two churches of the years, one Baptist and the other Anglican. Both have gay attendees and members with gay family members who come to church very rarely also (Christmas /Easter services). It's not a big deal amongst the elders in the congregation either.

Surely telling people they cannot express their religious views is also bigoted. Tolerance has to be a two way stream.

Totally agree. It is one of my biggest problems with Islam and it is not okay, whatever spin Muslims put on it.

I think the liberal minded have found a bit of a conundrum with this situation.

I think the liberal minded have found a bit of a conundrum with this situation.

Only for those who equate the specific protesters with the entire religion.

No saying homophobia is not ok in any way shape or form and in any situation is NOT bigoted.