Homophobia within the Muslim community

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Please can we keep this thread calm and good natured as this is a genuine question.
I was genuinely shocked at a spokesperson for the Muslim community on GMB condemning gay people as sinful. Saying being gay is fundamentally wrong. Saying most Muslim people vehemently believe this. Is this true? Or are gay Muslims tolerated within the community? What would happen if a Muslim teenager was gay. Would the family disown them?
Genuine question. I suppose I mix in circles that are tolerant of homosexuality.
Please keep comments nice and friendly.

It wasn't the Christian churches lobbying for equality for homosexuals. It was secular organisations. Christian religions resisted it.

Interesting: I’m in a same sex relationship with a practicing Muslim .
Being a wahabist Sunni is different to being with a shia sufi...both Muslim but their interpretation of the Quran is both very different.
My lady is a Sufi who just believe in love and peace for all.

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The thread is primarily about the muslim stance on homosexuality, can’t see why then other religions are getting dragged into it. It’s just a form of minimising. Can’t we just stick to the subject.

It's also important to note the difference between leaders of a faith and individuals belonging to whichever faith. Similar to this government not being representative of my values.

The thread is primarily about the muslim stance on homosexuality, can’t see why then other religions are getting dragged into it. It’s just a form of minimising. Can’t we just stick to the subject.

Making comparisons is entirely valid. Only talking about Muslim homophobia is pretty islamaphobic.

Its kinda depressing seeing threads about how frightfully awful Muslims are so soon after Christchurch too.

Ok. So there are children being born to or adopted into stable caring same sex parent families. Good. But according to those who outrightly object to it being brought to the attention of other children the very same age in the very same communities that these families exist people feel that they need to be cautious and take their time and explain it in their own way and all such other crap. Its a fucking disgrace to be honest whetger peole are just that narrow minded or brainwashed by religion to feel.the need to "shield" their children from the existence diversity in their communities. I am disgusted.

@sweetlittlepug 👏🏼

What surprised me most was his argument seemed to centre around the equalities act.

The act itself is fantastic and has been a godsend to quote re my disabled son.

But he kept quoting Muslims are a minority group and almost implied that as such they should get treated with preference despite PM saying that homosexuals are also a minority group.

It was a real eye opener of an interview

Oh for goodness sake read the thread. It has been said countless times that it is due to the homophobia shown by the parents currently in the news. When it was cakegate Christianity was under the microscope.

@wafflyversatile do you also shout about the poor men when a thread comes up about abused women? This thread is about muslims and homophobia because they are being very vocal right now about how thwy are so opposed to their children learning about equal opportunities. It really is ok to discuss it and if you join the debate I promise you won't be labelled an islamophobe ok?

Its kinda depressing seeing threads about how frightfully awful Muslims are so soon after Christchurch too.

Amene.

But not unexpected.

@mboznz Of course a debate about homophobia is not unexpected when such a huge fuss to the point of a very important school.programme is suspended due to pure homophobia from predominantly muslim.parwmts ia underway. Should we ignore it and be scared to talk about it simply because the blatant homophobes in question are muslim? If so, why?
If a school was forced to stop R.E lessons due to white british non religious parents objecting to their kids learning about the way others live for fear of them being "brainwashed" and staging protests etc...would you object to.a debate about it?

You do not have to.keep.proving your non islamophic status by shutting down relevent debates that involve Islam. This is a relevent topic and by not discussing it is doing a huge disservice to our equality beliefs which also include legislation against hate crimes against people for religious reasons. Minorities should not be immune to being called out for abhorrent views.

I think it's more important than ever to be able to debate Muslim attitudes towards gay people without anyone feeling afraid or intimidated. Its important to keep the debate between both sides open, but polite and friendly. Its the only thing that might stop misunderstanding and violence.

It's not objecting to talking about it it's pp objecting to other religions being brought into it.

I'm an atheist and dislike all religions. I don't think any of them have moral authority, quite the opposite. At the same time I'm sick of Islam being singled out.

There was a documentary on channel 4 on Muslim drag queens a few years ago. It’s still on 4 demand if you want to watch. I remember watching it and some of their families were accepting of them being gay and some weren’t.

@wafflyversatile there are no other religious groups heading this protest. It is predominantly muslims. Can you explain how a debate about this is singling muslims out? It is a debate in response to a very strong stance that muslims have taken. How can we respond to other groups if they are not objecting to the programme? Do we just ignore the issue or do we imagine up other religious griups as part of this and have a go at them so as not to feel islamphobic? Why on earth are people not allowed to discuss a blatant act of homophobia from the muslim community? Why?

The parents don’t want their primary school children being taught about homosexuality. They are not suggesting gays should be thrown from the roof tops. I think a few people have got a bit confused. There will be no doubt many white people who wouldn’t want this programme rolled out to all schools.
I’m not sure what this deputy head teacher is trying to achieve knowing that the majority of parents are strict Muslims. He could force the children to attend the programme and then the parents will tell them that God says it’s wrong and not to believe their teacher. I can’t see what good this will do. It will just increase both islamophobia and homophobia.

Stairway...what about the children being brought up by same.sex couples? Should they go through childhood feeling like they are not normal? With theirs peers not understanding? If so why? When you say being taught about homosexuality what do you mean? Because its teaching children about different types of families not the sexual details as thise opposed seem to think

Nursejackie do you know what is actually taught in the no outsiders programme? I think mentioning that families come in all shapes and sizes in fine, I’m sure if it was just that then the Muslim families ( and some Christian) wouldn’t mind too much. I would like to know the content of what young children are being taught. I can’t find it on the net.

Making comparisons is entirely valid. Only talking about Muslim homophobia is pretty islamaphobic.

No, in this instance it isn’t valid, it is entirely about Muslims stance on homosexuality, no other religions are involved. Why the hell is it islamaphobic to discuss it. Why should we have to draw other religions into it, like we have have to balance things out ffs.

Some fundamental Christians from outside the local area joined the protests outside parkfield School, fully supporting the Muslim parents and actively encouraged them to withdraw their children. So yes other religions are involved by adding flames to the fire.

Sweetlittlepug If you google the no outsiders programme you will see plenty of Christian sites who are not too keen on it either. According to the newspapers Christian parents have complained too.

Vapercut.....Oh well that’s a relief, perish the thought that we had to only criticise the main culprits.