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user1496701154 · 2019-03-26T23:45:14+00:00

to find religious schools applications unfair. Saying you have to be practicing that religion. I can respect it but you have to be practicing. To apply I find it to be discriminationing

Margot33 · 27/03/2019 11:58

That's like applying to an all girl's school then saying its not fair, it should be mixed?!?! You do know that you don't have to apply to a Faith school?!

doIreallyneedto · 27/03/2019 11:59

@justchecking1 - Why is faith considered more discriminatory than being a looked after child

Religion is a protected characteristic by law. Number of children or age of children isn't.

JacquesHammer · 27/03/2019 11:59

You do know that you don't have to apply to a Faith school?!

No. Absolutely nobody understands that...

How would you like to deal with us? We got GIVEN a faith school a not our choices. We didn't apply for it.

adaline · 27/03/2019 12:00

I don't think faith schools should be funded by the state. If the catholic church wants to open schools, it should pay for them, not expect the state to do it.

And as for this Why would anybody want to send their child to a faith school if they don't practice that religion?

You do realise lots of people don't have a choice? For most people, their catchment school is the religious school. Not everyone lives in an area with seven primaries to choose from.

crazycatlady5 · 27/03/2019 12:00

discriminationing

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DoneLikeAKipper · 27/03/2019 12:05

Why is faith considered more discriminatory than being a looked after child, having a sibling in the school, or distance?

Because a faith is a choice, the rest are not. Personal beliefs shouldn’t have any implications on compulsory education. In other parts of life, this wouldn’t be allowed. You couldn’t put up a job interview suggesting that a person of a certain religion would be prioritised over other candidates (I’m speaking generally, obviously not of the job is for vicar). Why is it ok in schools?

If you want to take religion out of it, imagine going to a brilliant nightclub, but it only prioritises skinny blonde people. I mean you could get in if you’re not those things, but you’re way down on the list. Or of course you could go on a crash diet and dye your hair just to get in, but why should you? It’s not your choice to be skinny and blonde, yet you have to miss out because other people happen to be? It’s ok though, there’s a Wetherspoons a few miles away, more suited for anyone to get into.

thedisorganisedmum · 27/03/2019 12:09

Why should faith be any part of my child’s education, a place for factual learning should be a safehaven from religious influence.

so apply to a non-faith school.

People who do believe that the religious element is an important part of school life apply to faith schools.

Again, the issue seems to be more that some top-rated schools are faith, and people want to benefit from that but without the religious element that made some of these at the level they are.
Hypo-crisis at its best.

If you are given a faith school when you did not want one and did not apply for one, by all means complain and demand a space somewhere else.

If you have a choice, you have nothing to complain about.

If you agree that the under-funding and the lack of schools is a disgrace, then complain too! There should be enough school space, there shouldn't be any new developments without school provisions to accommodate the children who live there.

If you happen to be near a faith school and you don't like it, apply somewhere else or move. Faith people have as much right to a school than you do.

adaline · 27/03/2019 12:12

If you happen to be near a faith school and you don't like it, apply somewhere else or move. Faith people have as much right to a school than you do.

Or, alternatively, people without faith have just as much right to a decent education as religious families do.

If you want to raise your children under a specific religion, take them to church! Don't expect the state to fund your religion.

JacquesHammer · 27/03/2019 12:13

Faith people have as much right to a school than you do

And yet under the current system they have more right...

You keep avoiding the point - why SHOULDN’T people who want a faith education PAY for it. Meaning state funding isn’t being used for divisive selective policies?

JacquesHammer · 27/03/2019 12:14

If you are given a faith school when you did not want one and did not apply for one, by all means complain and demand a space somewhere else

Um....do you have the first CLUE how the school process works? Other than god = school place?

DoneLikeAKipper · 27/03/2019 12:19

@thedisorganisedmum, again you are missing the point. It shouldn’t be the case that those with different or no faith should have less choice in schools because there are so many faith-based educational settings around. There shouldn’t be any set belief system in education, school isn’t a secondary church or any other place of worship.

It’s not about having no choice, it’s about having less than someone who is catholic or CoE. That is discrimination. Why should my commute be twice as long as it could be because all the closest schools are faith-based and we’re not religious? That option shouldn’t be a consideration in education.

I am complaining, and actively campaigning. Not for spaces, but for the eradication of all state faith schools.

Weepingwillow5 · 27/03/2019 12:20

My child is at a C of E school , it was our catchment school . I had no chance of them getting a place in a school anywhere else nearby . Both they and I get fed up of the pushing of religion , which has got much worse over the years . My child will confidently tell anyone they don’t believe in god and give sensible reasons why.

thedisorganisedmum · 27/03/2019 12:21

why SHOULDN’T people who want a faith education PAY for it.

you could apply that to most things, because we cannot allocate our taxes to areas we specifically agree on. Because the majority thinks it's fair for everybody to do so.
we all pay for a lot of things we don't agree with.

do you have the first CLUE how the school process works?
can you be any more patronising?
no one is saying the state school system is perfect, far from it.
On principle, there's nothing wrong with people selecting a faith school, if people are miffed because they are great but don't want their children there, that's their problem.

DoneLikeAKipper · 27/03/2019 12:23

Faith people have as much right to a school than you do.

Everyone has an equal right to access education. Religion does not have a right to public education. The school system should not have to bend to faith, not unless it is willing to sustain itself rather than with public money. You want free religious education/lifestyle, please take full advantage of your local place of worship.

MyFavouriteDress1 · 27/03/2019 12:23

Any school you have to make an effort to attend means more committed parents, more educational involvement and therefore better results
Having your child baptised is not a big effort. Do you have any actual evidence that children in catholic schools, for example, come from higher socio-economic backgrounds than kids at community schools?

thedisorganisedmum · 27/03/2019 12:24

There shouldn’t be any set belief system in education, school isn’t a secondary church or any other place of worship.

and some people disagree with that and are perfectly entitled to. What make you right?

And once again, I am glad we have the choice and there are schools with and school without a belief system.
I am also glad people have a choice of boy schools or mixed schools.

Where I personally chose to send my own kids is my own problem.

thedisorganisedmum · 27/03/2019 12:25

Religion does not have a right to public education. The school system should not have to bend to faith

why not? Why do you think your opinion matters more than the ones of people who think the opposite?

What about the majority suddenly deciding that all school system should be based on faith? Would you suddenly not miss the choice we currently have?

JacquesHammer · 27/03/2019 12:26

can you be any more patronising?

Well it’s fairly clear from your posts you don’t...

There is simply no way to justify state funding towards schools that actively seek to create community division.

JacquesHammer · 27/03/2019 12:27

If the education system was secular parents who wish their children to have faith education could deal with that at home.

Nobody loses out.

If you want a broader faith based education then those schools should be privately funded.

TaMereAPoilDevantPrisu · 27/03/2019 12:28

Not much of a choice if you live rurally and your nearest two primaries are CofE. It would be a fifteen-mile round trip twice a day for me to take my kid to the nearest non-faith primary. Yeah sure I'll just sell my house and leave my job to move nearer

DoneLikeAKipper · 27/03/2019 12:33

why not? Why do you think your opinion matters more than the ones of people who think the opposite?

It’s not opinion. Children go to school to learn proven facts. Religion is a belief system with no proven bases, therefore has no weight in being taught as fact in schools. Those with faith have other institutions that are very happy to teach these beliefs, why should they be imposed on children from all backgrounds on a daily bases in their educational setting, when it holds no value? What right does religion have to impose these beliefs, when some parents have no choice but to send their children to these schools?

It’s not balanced, it’s the religious side who are currently holding all the cards, there are too many faith schools, and even in the regular ones there is some form of Christianity worship. To make it fair, either there should be far less faith schools, so the religious can make the effort of travelling and worrying about where their kids can get in, or just abolish the whole religious school system, and those with faith can understand that their beliefs are not so important they can have it in schools.

thedisorganisedmum · 27/03/2019 12:55

Religion is a belief system with no proven bases, therefore has no weight in being taught as fact in schools.
that is not facts, that's your opinion. And thankfully you are perfectly entitled to express it and live according to it in this country.

As long as not all schools are faith schools in this country, and you can apply to a non-faith school, then we have no problem.

Just because YOU want a secular school system, doesn't mean the whole country has to obey. I like the choice and the freedom of opinion and beliefs we currently have in this country.

overandunder9 · 27/03/2019 12:56

Our closest school is a church school but we were told outright by the receptionist that we had zero chance of getting in. She pretty much told us to start going to church and we would be ok..... The school clearly states that they do not discriminate by race or religion - hmmm well clearly you do!

The lack of consistency gets me the most. In some areas, such as mine, faith schools don’t have catchment areas and can pick and choose who they want. In other areas, church schools have a catchment in the same way as non-faith schools do.

AryaStarkWolf · 27/03/2019 12:59

Being Irish I understand your point. 96% of "state" run schools are catholic. That's the main problem

JacquesHammer · 27/03/2019 13:00

and you can apply to a non-faith school, then we have no problem

That’s nothing more than a preference. You have been taken in by the guise of “choice”.

I mean I could apply to a school 20 miles away....but what are the actual chances of getting in? That isn’t choice.

If you have a faith, great! Deal with it at home and remove state-funded community division.