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Brexit

154 replies

Shitty · 26/03/2019 11:21

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Hi everyone
Am I alone I thinking that we had a vote to leave the European union and the majority said leave ?
So can anyone tell me why those idiots in parliament who are there to to serve us think its ok to ignore the mandate given to them by the British people and are doing anything to reverse the decision what happens it we have an election and they don't like the outcome of that do have another until they are happy???. We voted out and there wasn't any mention of a deal on the voting sheet . Out means out i m afraid as voted for so get on with it so we can move forward.

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oatmilk4breakfast · 26/03/2019 20:03

Agree, OP, I’ve read the thread. I didn’t see anyone tell you to shut up, until just now. Honestly what are you so angry about? We are leaving the EU. Either with a withdrawal agreement or by crashing out - Theresa May seems genuinely willing to do it / or by some other mechanism by which we end up outside. Why aren’t you delighted? What do you think will happen next? Are you cross that MPs are discussing whether it’s better to leave with a deal or no deal? What do you think will happen if there is no deal? What industries or people would benefit? I’m pretty depressed about it all but know many reasonable people who want to leave so would genuinely would be interested to know.

Shitty · 26/03/2019 23:57

Oh please stop kidding yourselves with scaremongering no-one knows for sure what the future holds but what I do know is that we have a chance to take control . BMW for instance will still want to sell their cars as will many other manufacturers we will not become a black hole of return to the middle ages but will have the scope to expand on who we deal with

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CardinalSin · 27/03/2019 00:19

Free speech is one thing, but staggering ignorance is not to be admired...

bellinisurge · 27/03/2019 06:06

If our economy gets a massive bash no one can buy BMWs because they can't afford them. Ever wondered why No Deal has become less and less likely. Is it because of metropolitan elite wreckers who are paid off by George Soros .....Or ... is it because it would be a stupid idea that would damage the economy for decades.
If we leave we leave like grown ups , taking account of our GFA responsibilities and our responsibility not to flush the economy down the toilet for a generation.

MrsTerryPratchett · 27/03/2019 06:43

BMW for instance will still want to sell their cars

BINGO! What do I win?

bellinisurge · 27/03/2019 06:45

Curses @MrsTerryPratchett , I was too quick to furrow my brow rather than play bingo. Bested again!!

twattymctwatterson · 27/03/2019 06:57

Op who is stopping you from speaking? Free speech doesn't mean freedom not to have what you say challenged. When you say that no one knows what will happen, you do understand that we know what benefits we receive from the EU and that experts have been able to gauge the impact based on things like the amount of food and medicine we import, the additional paperwork needed in the event of no deal, the traffic currently going through ports? No one is sitting making up scare stories for fun. Honestly if we no deal I'd be delighted if everything worked out ok because I'm a single parent and only just getting by. I'm politically aware and absolutely nothing I've seen from leave seems to be based on genuine facts so I'm not reassured at all.

MrsTerryPratchett · 27/03/2019 07:03

@bellinisurge bwahahahahaha better luck next time.

AlexaShutUp · 27/03/2019 07:46

So why have a vote in the first place if they are going to ignore it??

We had the vote in order to settle the internal squabbles within the Tory party. I don't think David Cameron ever really contemplated the possibility that people would vote leave because it was so clearly in the national interest to remain. What he failed to realise is that the electorate did not have the knowledge or understanding to be able to make that decision. The whole thing was a massively irresponsible political game that horribly backfired. And now we will all have to deal with the consequences.

As for the MPs, if they were really willing to do "anything" to stop Brexit, they could have done it long ago. Collectively, they have the power to reverse Brexit whenever they like, as the referendum was not legally binding. However, they have tried for the last two and a half years to find a way through the horrendous situation that they find themselves in. As democrats, they feel obliged to implement the outcome of the referendum, but as public servants, they also have a duty to avert a national catastrophe if at all possible. Does democracy trump all other concerns? Should our politicians lead us into a state of national crisis because that's what the people voted for? Going for no deal would be a disaster, and many MPs are unwilling to have that on their conscience.

It's a tough one. Do you go ahead with Christmas because that's what the turkeys have voted for, or do you try to protect the turkeys from their own poor decision-making? Most MPs will probably try to find a compromise whereby we have some sort of Christmas but the turkeys don't get eaten - the vegetarian option if you like.Grin

Of course, there are some unscrupulous MPs on both sides of the debate who couldn't care less about what happens to their constituents, and are just in it for themselves. The Boris Johnsons of the world. However, I do believe that they are the minority, and that most MPs are genuinely trying to do what they think is right in an impossible situation.

Rufusthebewilderedreindeer · 27/03/2019 07:49

the vegetarian option if you like

I like

PigOnStilts · 27/03/2019 07:51

Shitty, do you understand the difference between an advisory referendum and a mandate?

DontMakeMeShushYou · 27/03/2019 09:36

BMW for instance will still want to sell their cars

Actually, I think you'll find the Germans place more value on keeping the union together than they do on selling a few cars to Brits. After all, there are 194 other countries in the world which they can sell BMWs to.

FourWeeksPay · 27/03/2019 09:44

Most MPs will probably try to find a compromise whereby we have some sort of Christmas but the turkeys don't get eaten - the vegetarian option if you like.

Here's to a Nut Roast Brexit then.

havingtochangeusernameagain · 27/03/2019 10:23

The result of the vote was to leave (I summarise) on a negotiated deal that was acceptable to the UK Parliament and all other 27 members of the EU

This puts it better than I could.

havingtochangeusernameagain · 27/03/2019 10:27

We have a staunch remainer as PM

Erm are you in a parallel universe? In this world, T May is NOT a remainer!

havingtochangeusernameagain · 27/03/2019 10:33

So referendums are advisory only if the outcome doesn't suit you

No, because the law said it was advisory. It was only the government leaflet that said "we will implement what you decide" but as others have said, nobody thought that "no deal" was an option, it was either EEA or customs union or both.

During the debates about the referendum legislation Alex Salmond moved an amendment to say that the result should only be binding if each of the four parts of the UK voted for it. It was David Lidington (who I actually rate as a MP) who said it wasn't needed, because it was advisory only.

Of course the real reason it wasn't put in was because Leave MPs knew full well Scotland would vote against leaving.

BorisBogtrotter · 27/03/2019 10:34

The TM as a remainer narrative allows the leave crowd to construct the idea that they were betrayed and all would have been well if a leaver was in charge.

Nah, you voted for this despite being warned what was promised was impossible.

bugeyedbarber · 27/03/2019 14:13

This thread is hilarious

OP cannot be for real. It's like a standard Leave bot is responding with an automated list of standard issue responses

Leave means leave
But what about German cars
Democracy means we leave
Just get on with it
Scaremongering

Etc etc

AlexaShutUp · 27/03/2019 14:21

Here's to a Nut Roast Brexit then.

Well, yes indeed. The only problem is, nobody knows how to cook one and there aren't any recipe books to help. And therein lies the problem.

I do not believe that the majority of the electorate voted in 2016 for economic chaos, food and medicine shortages or problems over the Irish border. They assumed that we could leave the EU in a relatively painless manner. The difficulty is that nobody really knows how to do that, and it probably isn't possible.

The hard Brexiteers have made it clear that they don't really care. They are wealthy enough to weather the storm and some of them will probably make a nice profit out of it. However, for the rest of parliament, it's rather an insoluble problem. If they try to minimise the damage, they will be blamed for blocking the democratic wish of the electorate. If they try to implement Brexit at any cost, they risk plunging the country into a crisis from which it may take decades to recover

The fundamental problem is that people were sold a lie in the 2016 referendum and they believed it. The Brexiteers will no doubt blame the government/parliament for failing to implement it properly, and undoubtedly, there has been appalling incompetence on both the government and the opposition benches. However, none of that changes the fact that Brexit was never going to be implemented successfully, and the most competent politicians in the world would never have been able to make a truth out of the lies that were told in the referendum campaign. It was always doomed to fail.

dreichuplands · 27/03/2019 14:35

The ERG are the reason we haven't left the EU, they have repeatedly chosen not to vote to leave. Blame them not remainers.
The rest of the MP's are merely trying to minimise the amount of damage being done to the UK.

FinnegansWhiskers · 27/03/2019 14:57

Erm are you in a parallel universe? In this world, T May is NOT a remainer

Go and educate yourself. Of course she is. There is nothing more certain! And this is the whole reason why her "deal" keeps us within the EU....The very reason parliament isn't voting for her "deal".

In the words of the PM "No Deal is better than a bad deal". Take from that what you like....

ChardonnaysPrettySister · 27/03/2019 15:00

In the words of the PM "No Deal is better than a bad deal". Take from that what you like....

I’m taking from this that she would prefer No Deal to a bad deal, what do youtake from this and how does it make TM a Remainer?

FinnegansWhiskers · 27/03/2019 15:10

Hope the pic has posted.... If not look it up and do some research before you post untruths in an attempt to support your view...

Rufusthebewilderedreindeer · 27/03/2019 15:31

What picture?

As i said before, i think TM finally came down on the remain end because she thought they were going to 'win'

CardinalSin · 27/03/2019 15:42

Anyone who looks at TMs record, as Home Secretary in particular, can see that she's a natural xenophobe leaver. She lukewarmly pretended to support remain as she wanted to be on what she thought was going to be the winning side.

Much as Magic Grandpa pretended to support remain, but pretty much sabotaged Labour's remain campaign.

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