Brexit

[Shitty]

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Hi everyone
Am I alone I thinking that we had a vote to leave the European union and the majority said leave ?
So can anyone tell me why those idiots in parliament who are there to to serve us think its ok to ignore the mandate given to them by the British people and are doing anything to reverse the decision what happens it we have an election and they don't like the outcome of that do have another until they are happy???. We voted out and there wasn't any mention of a deal on the voting sheet . Out means out i m afraid as voted for so get on with it so we can move forward.

Interesting 1st post.

Rattled much?

Sorry but the EU is evolving and changing- list me the next 3 countries to join,

As always, our democratically-elected representatives would have had the final say in whether those countries join or not.

Leave won but back then we were told that Leave could be Hard or Soft (Deal, Canada plus or Norway-model) No Deal was considered something that obviously wouldn't happen even by the hardcore Brexiteers.
Parliament needs to take control because there's no time left and successful transitions involve as much preparation as possible (eg Millenium Bug) At the moment no firms can prep because there's no final decision on how we Leave. This increases the likelihood of economic disaster.

Ah, I was wrong about Kosovo (pop 1.7m) , Albania (pop 3.1m) is more likely
and the top two Montenegro (pop 625,000) and North Macedonia (pop 2m) will not be within the next year
Turkey of course is nowhere near (and is on the verge of leaving NATO)
Serbia and Bosnia will not come in for a while yet.

That is why so many of the older generation voted Leave, because they have seen the EU project changing from its original intent.

One wonders why they voted for successive UK governments who chose to implement that evolution then. It's not like we were passive bystanders having this 'project' forced upon us. We chose to make those changes.

Montenegro, Kosovo, north Macedonia, Albania such fabulous, well integrated, tolerant countries to merge with....
www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/47700628

Onlyfools
Football fans do not reflect a whole country - British football fans certainly do not represent many Brits.

The Referendum was only advisory anyway

So why spend billions on another referendum that will be "advisory". What happens if leave wins again? Do we keep spending billions on "advisory" referendums??

Yeah, OnlyFools, cos no English football 'fan' would ever spout racist abuse at football players, would they?

such fabulous, well integrated, tolerant countries to merge with....

You’re aware of the racism problems endemic within English football, right?

So why spend billions on another referendum that will be "advisory". What happens if leave wins again? Do we keep spending billions on "advisory" referendums??

The 2016 referendum was advisory because the law that enabled it made it so. If we have a second referendum, we can choose to make it binding. HTH.

@longwayoff

How was the OP confrontational?

The leave campaign talked about having a deal so many people voted for that.

Brexiteers aren't very intelligent non shocker....

So why spend billions on another referendum that will be "advisory". What happens if leave wins again? Do we keep spending billions on "advisory" referendums??

One would do it.

"We didn't know what sort of a deal we could negotiate with the EU when we asked you if you wanted to Leave. After 2 years of negotiations we believe that the deal we've negotiated is the best possible deal we can hope to achieve. Now that we all have more of a concrete idea of the possible benefits and ramifications of leaving the EU we'd like you to decide whether to proceed with leaving on these negotiated terms or whether to Remain. It's your choice."

So two choices: WA or Revoke. No more pissing about.

As a remainer I'd be happy with that.

The 2016 referendum was advisory because the law that enabled it made it so. If we have a second referendum, we can choose to make it binding. HTH.

Who will choose to make it binding?

I mean does the government choose?

Theresa?

The 2016 referendum was advisory because the law that enabled it made it so. If we have a second referendum, we can choose to make it binding. HTH.

It was discussed during the passing of the referendum legislation just what would be required for it to be binding. ISTR that there would have had to have been majorities in each UK country and I think there was some talk of a supermajority.

While that would be welcome from a Remain POV I can't see it happening for our theoretical second referendum.

out means out, brexit means brexit - what does that mean exactly though.

Which sums up the whole problem - a simplistic question yes or no was given with absolutely no indication of what out means. Because it can be many things in relation to many different options

And it wasnt the mandate of the British people - the English and Welsh yes but not Northern Ireland or Scotland which further complicates things.

So at the moment it is figuring out what Brexit means that is the issue, that and the fact that no sensible person should want no deal at all

I mean does the government choose?

Essentially, yes. In order for there to be a referendum, Parliament needs to pass a bill to allow it to take place. That Bill can set out whether or not the result should be binding.

So why spend billions on another referendum that will be "advisory". What happens if leave wins again? Do we keep spending billions on "advisory" referendums??

Well, let's not. Lets revoke Article 50 and in true British fashion never mention a referendum again.

Shitty why do you think it is a good idea for us to leave the European Union?

The 2016 referendum was advisory because the law that enabled it made it so. If we have a second referendum, we can choose to make it binding. HTH

😂😂😂 So referendums are advisory only if the outcome doesn't suit you? There we go...

So referendums are advisory only if the outcome doesn't suit you? There we go...

Well we could have had a binding referendum to start with. The conditions would have probably been something like each UK country needing at least 60% of the electorate to vote Leave. So it would have been a strong Remain vote.