Brexit

[Shitty]

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Hi everyone
Am I alone I thinking that we had a vote to leave the European union and the majority said leave ?
So can anyone tell me why those idiots in parliament who are there to to serve us think its ok to ignore the mandate given to them by the British people and are doing anything to reverse the decision what happens it we have an election and they don't like the outcome of that do have another until they are happy???. We voted out and there wasn't any mention of a deal on the voting sheet . Out means out i m afraid as voted for so get on with it so we can move forward.

So referendums are advisory only if the outcome doesn't suit you? There we go.

No, referendums are binding if they're legally binding (there is legislation to make it so), and advisory if they're not legally binding. Is that difficult to understand?

So referendums are advisory only if the outcome doesn't suit you? There we go..

No, they’re advisory if they’re advisory.

No, referendums are binding if they're legally binding (there is legislation to make it so), and advisory if they're not legally binding. Is that difficult to understand?

Well considering DC stated time and again that he would uphold the decision of the referendum yes it's difficult to understand.

I think the steadfast remainers would be happy to have referendum after referendum until the outcome is marginally to remain. Then they will go all out to convince themselves, that that referendum is the legally binding one.

So if there is another referendum do we get told whether it's legally binding or not - before the event? Or does it depend on the outcome?

So referendums are advisory only if the outcome doesn't suit you? There we go...

No, because we won't know what the outcome would be when we set it now.

Well considering DC stated time and again that he would uphold the decision of the referendum yes it's difficult to understand.

He's no longer Prime Minister. He's not in a position to honour his promises.

Should Cameron have honoured Blair's promises?

I'm not sure why leave voters are so worried, is it because they think people have changed their minds?

The bottom line is people were misled at the time of the referendum. A land of milk and honey was promised, it is now factually not available and we will be worse off. So I don't see what's wrong in saying people did not vote for them and theirs to br worse off for ever more.

And if that's not what they voted for, then why the hell would we uphold it.

It's like agreeing to buy a ring for ten pounds, then when you say yes, the seller says well actually it's a thousand pounds but you said yes, so fuck uou hand the cash over. You said yes and that's all that matters, it's irrelevant of you were misled. You said yes.

That's literally what those sticking to leave are saying.

So referendums are advisory only if the outcome doesn't suit you? There we go...

Erm, no. A referendum is only advisory if the Act that enables it doesn't make it binding. Since our system doesn't automatically allow for government by referendum, an separate Act of Parliament must be drawn up and passed each time in order to hold one. Therefore the rules can change depending on the wording of the Act.

So if there is another referendum do we get told whether it's legally binding or not - before the event?
Well ... it will be in the wording of the Act that enables it to be held. I cannot predict whether your favoured news source will tell you but you could find out if you so chose.

Or does it depend on the outcome?
It's an Act of Parliament. It will be in place before the referendum is held or there cannot be a referendum. So no. It won't depend on the outcome.

The government has responded to the A50 petition - in fairly predictable terms. The one truly offensive part is a repetition of the mantra about 80% of the electorate voting to support brexit in 2017. I can’t imagine they really are so thick as not to understand that she lost her majority in 2017 as a protest vote against her arrogance, as opposed to a vindication of the Corbyn manifesto. I’m not sure anyone even knew what he thought about Brexit. What mattered was to punish the Tories for visiting this mess on us.

This sort of ‘politics spin’ which everyone sane knows is bollocks will just make people dig-in in their loathing of everything ‘brexit’ stands for. Immensely divisive but hardly unexpected from this shower.

He's no longer Prime Minister. He's not in a position to honour his promises

Ummm.... in case you didn't know he was the PM who called the referendum. He stated that the result would be upheld - you know as the PM at that time.

Then when the result didn't go his way he threw his toys out of the pram and ran away.

Hence why we are in the middle of this shitstorm. We have a staunch remainer as PM who is failing trying to get the HOC to vote on a deal which pretends to be focussed on leaving the EU but, in effect, ties us to the EU.

Hence the discontentment within Parliament. Nobody wants a leave deal which we have to pay £50bn for when all it does is tie us to the EU anyway.

I can't see there being a second referendum. And if there is leave will win again anyway. Lots more UK money down the pan.

Anyway I'm off to work. The money for untold referendums will have to come from somewhere. I wonder who is responsible for that? Ah yes the British taxpayer. Again!! 🤬

I see the referendum like this

‘Do you want to book a holiday in four years time?’

‘I’m not going to tell you where it would be to, what it would cost, who you’d be going with, what the climate will be like, whether it will be safe, what the food and drink would be like, but you need to decide right now if you want to come’

🙄🙄

We have a staunch remainer as PM
NO
We have the racist xenophobe former Home Secretary who created the immigration target and the Hostile Environment that led to the vote as PM

I dont think she is a staunch remainer

Apparently she spent months trying to dodge answering the 'are you remain or leave' right up to the bitter end

She finally came down as remain, i think when she thought they would deffo win

So to be clear, does no deal mean absolutely no contact with anyone or anything connected to the eu? We would never trade with them again, never holiday there, never have fruit or veg brought over from there?
Out means we're done, finito?
Because if that's what the aim was originally, someone should have told our farmers that we need to grow more food, and we should have some budding new industries ready to fill the gap from the automotive and financial sectors right?

How many people have successfully negotiated with employers so that they can continue to be paid but not actually have to do any work or else they will quit?
How many have contacted their landlord and said "I want to keep my house, but I no longer want to pay rent for it, what are you going to do?"
How many have cancelled a gym membership and then continued to use the facilities without paying?

Whatever she was to begin with, there is no doubt at all, she's a staunch leaver now. Both the eu and mps were and are concerned she would literally drive the U.K. off the cliff edge of no deal.

It's why the eu acted as they did and effectively gave control to our parliament by announcing they'd give a lengthy extension and giving us a timeline. One of them commented they felt she would do it after her presentation to them last week. She was literally going to throw the uk off the cliff if her deal wasn't approved.

The concern the house has is after the privy council briefing where government officials explained what would happen in no deal, inc medicine and food shortages (the army is on standby for a reason and it's really not in case we riot for thr fun of it, it's because of what will happen to us) none of them could believe a british prime minister would actually contemplate doing that to its citizens and they were appalled.

And it's why parliament is acting and taking control now. There is a confidentiality agreement in place as the government do not wish the public to know the full details of what is to be expected, there really would be rioting if we did know , but what they were told was from what I understand deeply sobering and very, very worrying and why they are pushing to hard and taking over to make sure we aren't subjected to it.

NoMoreMonkeys
Nope
"No Deal" means that
we will have no agreements to drive british vehicles in the rest of europe
and vice versa
we will have no agreements on food safety standards
we will have no agreements on product safety standards
all goods will have to clear customs and have duty and VAT paid at the border (as they did pre 88)
all the deals that the EU agreed - like phone roaming - will cease to work in the UK
all the trade deals with the rest of the world that we were in because of the EU will cease to work

so it will be years and years and years of effort to rebuild that
during which time
the NHS, housing, schools, care homes
will sit on the back burner

Having voted Remain doesn't mean I should happily accept demise of British manufacturing & gutting of fishing & agriculture as a natural consequence of Brexit. Maybe the Leavers all voted for that, but I didn't. Need to find a form of Brexit that doesn't destroy so much of UK economies.

Fin services suffering a slow puncture, too.
But since the experts predicted it, everyone is sick of that & doesn't care any more, I guess.

talkin it is genuinely baffling that people think we have the upper hand here, that we can "no deal" and the eu will clamour to bring us back into the fold.

If we rely on someone else to bring us food and medicines, is no deal not effectively a hunger strike? But what does the eu have to gain by being worried about us starving ourselves? They have made no suggestion that they want us to leave, they want a relationship with us even if that is outside of the union, but they won't be banging on our doors begging us to come home like a spouse realising they miss their partner and desperately need them t9 come back.

We hold no cards, we rely on our neighbours to keep us fed and alive - these are arrangements we ourselves have worked for, enabled and pushed to further grow but now it's the fault of the EU that the things we have championed are now apparently unacceptable to us and we are so angry about the laws that we ourselves wrote for and on behalf of the union that we are willing to throw ourselves off a cliff and starve to prove the point.

The idea that the prime minister is a remain voter is also incredible, just because she said it, doesn't mean it's true.

NoMoreMonkeys

If you are a self employed Lorry Driver who gets paid £500 to drive lettuces from Spain to Britain
or £350 to drive them to Poland
but coming to Britain risks two weeks unpaid stuck on the M20
which run are you going to choose?

If you are a big haulage company paying salaries
which run will you choose for your drivers?

17% of all UK trade by value passes through Dover/Folkestone
that was what Raab had not worked out before becoming Brexit Secretary

Having been told to STFU and lump it regarding democracy I take it that excludes free speech now, what a bunch of hypocrites I would ask you to read what you're saying obviously you can't with your head up your own arse Muppet !!!!!

Oh shut up. There’s an interesting discussion going on now and you just keep ranting and insulting. Bore of.

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@Shitty
If the UK leaves with no deal - as you seem to desire - will you be happy with the outcomes?

Operation Yellowhammer - the civil contingencies to keep society running - is named after the call of the yellowhammer
a little bit of bread and no cheese

Having been told to STFU and lump it regarding democracy

You’ve been told you don’t understand democracy. It’s a fairly critical part of the debate...