DH voted leave but can't articulate why

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Sorry if this has been done before, but i need to get this off my chest and perhaps get new insight or come to a better understanding, so i can discharge some of the anger i feel.
So, i voted remain and he voted leave. Up to a point, i am prepared to accept we have different political views and can move on.
Talking to him last night, i asked, knowing what he knows now, would he still have voted leave and he said yes.
Cue a long discussion as to why and really he has no real idea what he was voting for, or what he wanted. Its just so woolly...he wanted change, but can't articulate what that would be.
It was just a knee jerk reaction to not liking the current situation and wanting things to be 'different'.
Its just made me so angry that he would still vote that way again in spite of all the evidence that things wont be 'better' out the EU.
His argument is that we don't know whether it might be better, so that gamble is worth it, but i am really struggling to see his point of view.
Please, can someone give me some idea how i can come to terms with this, so i am not consumed with impotent anger at him? Thank you.
Ps this is not meant to be a goady post against those that voted leave, if you have a well thought out argument and honestly believe it, that's great.

Yes reanimatedSGB you have summed it up perfectly.

Why then are you impotently posting on a chatboard instead of doing something if you feel the way you do?

You have no idea what involvement I have in a variety of citizenship actions.
What a bizarre post.
I am actively involved in a number of ways just not on a Sunday morning.

All those who feel no animosity towards people they know who voted Leave might not feel so sanguine when queuing for bread, let alone when discovering they can't get insulin That is not the fault of those who voted Leave.

That i sthe fault of the politicians who chose to grandstand instead of working through the details. The should have been working towards a workable Brexit at the same time as working on overturning it, if that is what their belief was!

We know that parts of the civil service did just that, there have been many 'mini deals'. We don't know what resources, if any, will be rationed or unavailable. We do have 'experts' say that there will be shortages and others saying there won't.... there has been a sensible (in my view) recommendation to the NHS etc to stockpile what they can - though that is less doable due to the privatisation of much of the NHS supply system.

@Aeroflotgirl Sun 24-Mar-19 11:58:28

Not all those who voted Leave are racist, in fact, not everyone who voted leave, are white anglo saxon btw!

No but I suspect everyone who is racist voted leave, and not all racists are white anglo saxon.

Voting to leave does not mean no immigrant can come into the country, immigrants from non EU countries can come in. I watching a Brexit march on You Tube, there were quite a few non white people who voted leave! I have non white friend who voted to leave.

witch are you normally such a bully? "Got it?"

Oh dear.

Yes, you would say that. We can all say that, can't we?

Yes Nanna but does not mean we are all racist, that is the problem! Those who remain bandiing about stereotypes for all leave voters.

Unlike your DH I knew exactly why I voted Leave. If you are interested to know my reasons I will post them. I seem to have posted them a million times over the past couple of years as have many Leavers despite being called stupid, thick as pig shit, racist, xenophobic, and a few other choice words.

PS your DH is probably equally annoyed at you and doesn't understand why you voted remain.

Is he expressing the same amount of anger at you for voting remain? Is he asking you to justify your decision? I bet he isn't. Why do you feel you have the right to do that to him?

My DH voted leave. He is the most intelligent, educated person I know and is incredibly informed with regards politics - more than most I would say. He has some very valid reasons for his decision and can articulate them. He isn't racist or thick yet people seem to assume all leaver voters are.
The thing that annoys him the most is the fact he is constantly being asked to justify why he voted leave. He has not asked a single remain voter to do the same.

I would think a lot of leavers didn't think they were voting for the utter carnage we see ourselves facing now. I reckon if there was another vote now many leavers would now vote stay.

Because I stand up to you, Miljah? I'm no bully but I won't sit by and listen to twaddle without challenging it. That's how a chatboard works.

Arguing with each other over something relatively insignificant is exactly what the global elite—the ones who stay rich and powerful regardless—want you to be doing. Imagining that your decisions and opinions make some sort of difference and give you some level of agency so that they can retain their positions of power. So well done, 90% of the people on this thread are behaving exactly as commanded.

I think many of you are missing the OP's point: that unlike the brilliant rhetoric I've witnessed from silversurfer 😉 on these boards, he cannot articulate his reasons for slinging a spanner into the works, that will have repercussions for decades, as admitted by J Rich-Smugg himself.

I'd find that pretty frustrating to live with, too.

Costanza spot on, we both voted to leave and have our reasons, dh is not racist and is good at getting his point across well, he is educated, intelligent and articulate. I am too, but lack confidence and as I am dyspraxic, my thoughts get all jumbled when put on the spot.

the bullying/childish/abusive behaviour tends to be from the Leave camp.

Really?

Just take a look at this thread

I’d say the insults are coming thick and fast from BOTH sides.

First response to the OP calls her ‘abusive’. A couple of posts after that says 'leave posters are ‘exactly the same’. ‘Not very bright or racist/xenophobe.’

And so it goes from there as virtually every debate on the internet anywhere on this subject.

We all need to stop being so angry and 'furious' at the people who voted differently from ourselves. What does it actually achieve?

I'd have been absolutely dismayed if my DH had voted leave. It's a shock when you find out that the person you share your life with, differs with you on something fundamental like that.

Miljah that is your opinion, his reasons are just as valied. If somebody is aggressive than it is difficult to get your point across, especially if they have their own narrative.

Most leavers are now staying quiet

No they're not. Did you not see/ hear them all clamouring to tell the 1m+ marchers in London yesterday (and the 5m who have signed the petition) to "get over it" because "we won, you lost" like we're talking about a game of Hungry fucking Hippos and democracy simply ceased in June 2016? The level of hatred and vitriol spewed at people simply exercising their democratic right was on another level. Most leavers are anything but quiet.

witch I think you need to calm down a bit. This is a 'chat board', as you put it. You appear to be becoming over-invested. I won't say 'Got it?' Because that would make me sound a bit unhinged. HTH.

'@Aeroflotgirl Sun 24-Mar-19 12:09:54

Voting to leave does not mean no immigrant can come into the country, immigrants from non EU countries can come in.

Oh I agree but you would be amazed how many people think that leaving the EU will stop immigration from all countries. And the government, supported by the media, have sustained a long campaign shifting the blame from government policy and practice onto the immigrant population.

MarielVanArkel, I agree with you but I know of several who voted Remain who did so for these reasons:

• Gut instinct;
• Better the devil you know;
• Laziness/apathy
• Not understanding the implications so resisting change

They made arguably the 'right decision'... but it wasn't really an educated one, was it? I doubt they're on their own.

Not everybody is very interested in politics. Perhaps it should be taught more clearly in schools rather than just the bone-dry nonsense (of my lessons anyway)?

Does anyone know a 'thick' 'stupid' or 'not very bright' remain voter because according to MN all the remain voters are incredibly intelligent, articulate marvellous humans who are far, far superior to anyone who voted leave.

I doubt as many leavers as people think would change their mind.

Most remainers seem to think that leavers voted based on a rational analysis of evidence and will therefore change their vote based on changed circumstances. As this thread shows most leavers did no such thing.

aprarl and MarieIVanArkleStinks
Abusive? Pshaw!

Incidentally, screaming 'I am being bullied' is a great way of shutting down debate and putting yourself automatically in the right.

Its almost as good as claiming that the other side see themselves as victims and shutting down the debate that way.

The problem is that some posters can't see past there own rhetoric.