DH voted leave but can't articulate why

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Sorry if this has been done before, but i need to get this off my chest and perhaps get new insight or come to a better understanding, so i can discharge some of the anger i feel.
So, i voted remain and he voted leave. Up to a point, i am prepared to accept we have different political views and can move on.
Talking to him last night, i asked, knowing what he knows now, would he still have voted leave and he said yes.
Cue a long discussion as to why and really he has no real idea what he was voting for, or what he wanted. Its just so woolly...he wanted change, but can't articulate what that would be.
It was just a knee jerk reaction to not liking the current situation and wanting things to be 'different'.
Its just made me so angry that he would still vote that way again in spite of all the evidence that things wont be 'better' out the EU.
His argument is that we don't know whether it might be better, so that gamble is worth it, but i am really struggling to see his point of view.
Please, can someone give me some idea how i can come to terms with this, so i am not consumed with impotent anger at him? Thank you.
Ps this is not meant to be a goady post against those that voted leave, if you have a well thought out argument and honestly believe it, that's great.

TTiP is way out of my economic league I'm afraid.

Boney but at least don't pretend that the name calling doesn't happen

My posts make it explicitly clear name calling is wrong on both sides. I pull out the names from both sides to highlight it shouldn't be happening.

Oh The idea behind it is preposterous!

Though I strongy supsect my opinion of it is heavily influenced by my love of pulp sci fi! Great stories for building a social conscience.

Windowsareforcheaters

This does lead to the question as to whether a university education makes you clever.

Or that university towns and cities gain a huge amount financially from being connected to the EU.

I see the very first reply to this with leavers being called thick and racist has been removed

the reason public services are overstretched is due to government decisions to support rich profiteers rather than fund a decent infrastructure.

this ^ ReanimatedSGB

themoomoo

Given that MNHQ are allowing (and have approved) brexit threads outside of the topic I suppose that they have to show some semblance of being in control, knowing how these thread pretty much always end.

it's because the reasons for voting leave are based in an ideology

To to fair, if I had voted leave in order to benefit from disaster capitalism and/or to avoid the EU tax avoidance measures, I would probably avoid answering the question or talk loftily about freedom and sovereignty

To to fair, if I had voted leave in order to benefit from disaster capitalism and/or to avoid the EU tax avoidance measures, I would probably avoid answering the question or talk loftily about freedom and sovereignty Oh! Do you know every Leave voter? I am sure we have never discussed this in person! How could you possibly know my motives... especially as when I type them up you do this!!!

As someone said way up thread, many Leavers stop bothering because of such hyperbole. It is impossible to have any real sembelnce of discussion when the responses are like this.

Se the last few exchanges between windows and myself for how to have a polite, yet intractable, disagreement!

Springwalk i really don't understand your point of view at all. This isn't some stranger that the OP has accosted in the street it's her DP, that she chooses to share her life with. Of course she wants to understand his core values and beliefs.

Samphire is delicious, by the way. It needs very thorough washing and quick cooking. Goes very well with prawns and garlicky mayonnaise.

At least your dh actually bothered to vote.
I think all the rage aimed at leavers is misplaced.

The anger/ frustration/dissapointment you feel should surely be aimed at those who chose not to vote.

I must confess I don't read or consider the Sun/Mail/Express to be newspapers but I take your point and of course a small percentage of leavers will post extreme views on those rags. If you are basing your opinion of Leavers on them I think you are doing the majority of us a mis-service.

I know a few Leavers in RL, and they are articulate and intelligent people. I know the reasons why they voted Leave. For most it boiled down to a little bit of arrogance in that they could see the costs and the comedy (straight bananas etc) but didn't appreciate how much of the UK's economic and social framework relies on EU agreements. They thought it's just a case of leaving to do it by ourselves. Currently they are blaming the government for making a mess of a simple job . I have pointed out (we all work in large projects) that we would never have tried to deliver this in 2 years so why on earth did they think the government would manage it!

However, the venom in the media does make me feel that my friends are the minority and the body of Leavers are more concerned with "showing those Remainers" than understanding the implications of what they voted for.

(Although the quote was from SilverSurfer, since she stepped out I'm making it a general comment rather than a direct reply. I know it's really annoying to be replied to after you've said you're done)

Don't forget that most of the high-profile leavers are crooks, racists and nutjobs. Would you trust the likes of Johnson, Farage or Rees Mogg to uphold democracy? Did you really think their motivations for pushing to leave the EU were about making a better Britain for everyone (well, everyone other than those pesky foreigners, of course)?
Part of the reason why the Leave campaign got its (extremely narrow, remember) majority vote is now openly acknowledged to have been down to dishonesty, fraud, misrepresentation etc. That's a key reason why both Leavers and Remainers want a people's vote.

I always thought that the factt hat the Big Leavers were so excrementally bad just highlighted how incredibly shit the Big Remainers were!

I still remember a poster on the day after the referendum saying that she was so happy she was “walking on air” and when asked how she though leaving would work, said she had no idea but she trusted our leaders

@CuriousaboutSamphire

Just to say I haven't responded to your posts about EU democracy because someone else made the same points, but I really appreciated the time you've taken to articulate your concerns.

Also, regarding the PP who put away her photos after finding out that some of her friends were racists remainers. Sometimes you don't find out, for years, that someone you know and like actually holds one or two views you find abhorrent. When things are generally going well, and everyone's cheerfully preoccupied with their own day-to-day lives, their kids' cute behaviour, their career progresion - or the most important thing to have a free and frank exchange of views over is whether or not your favourite band's new album is better than the last. OK, there might be that one mate among the crowd who makes the occasional slightly-off-colour joke, or can be a bit of a pain after a few too many drinks, but generally it's OK, the person's usually fun company, and kind (or at least willing to do a favour for a friend)...
And then something polarising happens. Either it's a high-profile, big-deal news story (a sexual assault case brought against a famous man, for example... or a contentious election) or a fallout within the group (a bad break up, or the slightly-off-colour person getting arrested and charged with a serious crime.) And, as the saying goes, you find out who your friends really are.

I think even at the time of the Referendum it was reasonably clear that the Leave/Remain decision had big implications in terms of -employment, housing, travel, the availability of food, health service provision, care of the elderly, higher education and the opportunities available to our children. So it would be reasonable for people who intended to carry on living together to discuss which choice was likely to provide a better life for them as a couple, for parents who they might be caring for and for their children.

@Ellenborough

II mean obviously you wanted to Leave to win and you got that, but I'm guessing you want an actual outcome from that Leave vote

Do you mind what shape that takes - for example would you be ok with EEA membership? If not, what criteria need to be met for you to get the outcome you want?

Thank you Blibbyblobby

It has been ages since I have engaged with a Brexit thread. I think I am less annoyed by the push back than I was. I was happy to find even one person who could disagree relatively politely and over a few posts too. That was far, far better than the one response that boiled down to "Sod off thicko!" I got last year!

This article is gold, especially the last line.

www.plymouthherald.co.uk/news/local-news/brexit-ferry-protest-plymouth-no-2677855

Sorry, just trying to lighten the mood!