Just a reminder that we are nearly 3/17 of the way to getting it revoked

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petition.parliament.uk/petitions/241584

2.65million.
Andrea Leadsom said there would be clear case for taking action if it reached 17million.

People don't seem to realise that not allowing the people a voice once circumstances have changed and new information has come to light is ACTUALLY what is undemocratic.

Absolutely. Remind me again - how long since the 1st referendum on us joining? Clearly nothing changed at all between then and 2016 or we would have been polled again wouldn't we?

hasn't fought for what we need

What would that be?
And why should the EU negotiate such a deal given leaving was the UK 's choice?

You can't keep voting until you get the answer you want.

5-yearly general elections suggest otherwise.

Has anyone who is really convinced multiple signings are possible successfully signed the leave petition more than once?

Of course it's possible. More than one email address and any old postcode, that's all you'd need.

Seroiusly, LittleChristmousMouse. What we voted for in the early seventies bore absolutely no resemblance to the EU in 2016!

Just spoken to a colleague who said her remainer friend has just told her, that she has signed that petition under 20 different names and emails and random postcodes (since yesterday afternoon......) And several of her mates have done the same.

Just saying.

It really is pointless.

Seroiusly, LittleChristmousMouse. What we voted for in the early seventies bore absolutely no resemblance to the EU in 2016!

My point exactly and in answer to everyone calling for another referendum based on the fact that it's been 3 years and things have changed.

People who voted against in the 70s have had to wait 40 years for a chance to vote again so why should remain get a vote after 3?

lees if you are still with us would you be able to answer my question ?
i really would like to know and no, i'm not looking for a bun fight.

O do lets stick with Leave, it's going so terribly well. And anyone who suggests we are a global laughing stock governed by a collection of pompous opinionated fools is simply wrong.

I see LittleChristmasMouse. That's a reasonable point.

Bit surely if we do change our mi ds the EU wont accept that....

If it was so easy to fake a campaign signature why has the leave with no deal one been stuck at 100,000 for so long?

Because the vote to take us in was a) not corrupt and b) was a massive majority. Neither of which is true of the 2016 one.

Democracy is electing someone to act on your behalf. MP's have been unable to act.

So we need another vote. We didn't know what we were voting for. The whole thing was utterly ridiculous.

for some people like me, the status quo is shit and has been for a long time, so we grabbed at a chance for change

Yes, a change for the worse, for you, for me, for the UK, for everyone except a handful of people, as I said before.

Yes, I do give a shit about my fellow citizens thanks, whether they be educated, rich, poor, however they vote, wherever in the country they live. If that’s arrogance so be it.

If you think the status quo is shit now, just wait and see how much worse it can get (and once again, not just for you, for us all). Food standards, employment laws, maternity rights, healthcare, benefits. Things that affect us all.

You have voted to make us all worse off, fair enough, that’s your prerogative; you think things can’t get worse for you, I say they can and I don’t want to be dragged down with you. If I’m wrong about this I’ll be very very happy, I hope I am wrong. But I don’t think it’s very likely.

I also might add, that the reason things are shift for many people is because of the people who ran, backed, and campaigned for the leave side.

When we vote in a priminister we always have the option to change, no other vote is permanent like brexit We don't say "Teresa may was voted in in 2018 therefore it would undemocratic to have another election" because circumstances change. We'd all think that was in fact the direct opposite of democracy

We now have a better idea of what brexit is going to be, it's been 3 years. We also have an idea of how our country can/can't manage it. The referendum was nonbinding, we can't seem to find an acceptable deal. So what are we supposed to do? Leave with no deal which I doubt a majority want? That would be undemocratic as we havent voted for no deal. Leave with Teresa's deal which I doubt a majority want. That would be undemocratic as it has been down voted.

If the British public still want brexit then they will vote brexit again in a referendum.

If the British public don't want brexit, then they don't and would it not be undemocratic to push through a permanent change that isn't wanted? Just doggedly sticking to it would be undemocratic even if it's no longer what we want.

"the status quo is shit and has been for a long time, so we grabbed at a chance for change."

"Being hanged is a bit shit, so we voted to be burned alive instead instead of using our votes for things in elections that would make being hanged a bit less shit"

The reason the status quo is shit is not the EU's fault, but the governments. Which many people can't be bothered to vote for or against.

@theresafoxunderthedecking I'm still here, was just driving :)

The 650 page white paper for what Scottish independence would look like was published in 2013 and available to anybody who wanted to read it. It was widely debated on tv, radio, newspapers, public meetings etc for years before the Scottish independence vote, and I get the impression many people in Scotland took educating themselves about the contents far more seriously than many people in England did about educating themselves around Brexit. Of course, I'm sure there were some who didn't read it because human nature. But at least there was a plan and a clear, detailed vision of what people were voting for. The brexit ref was the polar opposite, and given that it was only shortly after the Scottish one, our powers that be knew damn well what best practice looked like and could have chosen to follow it. They chose not to.

MSP Joan McAlpine said that it made the United States Declaration of Independence "look like a Post-it note"

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scotland%27s_Future

BorisBogtrotter If it was so easy to fake a campaign signature why has the leave with no deal one been stuck at 100,000 for so long?
Maybe the people who signed that one weren’t cheating?

That would make a first for the leave campaign.

For some people like me, the status quo is shit and has been for a long time, so we grabbed at a chance for change

That's how Donald Trump and Nigel Farage became popular. It's sadly not how people who are disadvantaged by either system will get an improvement to their quality of life. Exactly the opposite in fact. :(

People who voted against in the 70s have had to wait 40 years for a chance to vote again so why should remain get a vote after 3?

People who voted in the 70s argue that they should have been given more opportunities to vote in subsequent years than they had. Surely they should support more rights to vote, not less?

I have little time for people who voted brexit because they didn't get their way 40 years ago. In the leave voters I know for whom this is a factor, they haven't taken into account ANYTHING about how the world has changed and assessed the current situation against an alternative, they're just playing the same old broken record. They are people I love dearly, and with all the love in the world, it will be me not them living with the long term consequences of the vote. So ffs yes, let people vote more often than every 40 years, because it has led to absolute toxicity.

Lots of posts now that they are proving people are signing again and again, and dodgy names being used. Has it been hijacked and therefore can’t be trusted?

They can detect duplication through isp addresses.

Absolute radio is suggesting that next weeks vote may include revoke as an option