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To tell the school no to this plan

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lyralalala · 21/03/2019 21:20

I'll try not to waffle too long.

There's a boy in DS(10)'s class who every break or lunchtime only wants to play one specific playground game, and always wants to play it with either DS or another boy.

The school is excellent in terms of having a lot going on at break times to keep the kids busy and active. There's always football, one other 'moving around' game and then they have giant connect 4 type games as well as bits and bobs like skipping ropes etc.

This boy always wants to play one of the giant board games. My DS has no interest in them as he likes to play the running about games. The other boy is the same. They do sometimes play the board games with the boy, but they don't often. However, there is always a queue of kids waiting/willing to play (that's one of the reason DS doens't enjoy them, he says you basically wait ages and then have a quick game) so he is absolutely not being left with no-one to play with. Even his own Mum has said this on numerous occasions.

However, he wants to play with one of the two boys. If they say no he cries, gets angry or has some other big reaction that usually involves one of the adults in the playground stepping in. This has been an ongoing issue for the last few years. It has been escalating more recently as DS and the other boy have both been playing football most days as they've joined the school team (break times have no correlation on the team, they are just on a spurt of enjoying playing football). The boy has been throwing more and more tantrums and twice I've been called in as he has actually hit or kicked DS. Same with their other friend.

So the way the school have decided to deal with this is to have a rota. DS got upset at bedtime and told me that 2 lunchtimes a week, and 2 morning breaks a week, he's to play with the boy at the board game. 2 other lunches and breaks the other boy has to play with him. He was in tears when he said that he was told by Mr X (one of the school SLT) that the school needs "team players" and feels bad that he doesn't want to do it.

I'm livid. It's completely rewarding the bratty behaviour of the other boy imo. There's no SN or anything like that - I know his Mum well and she openly says that he's spoiled and is a 'demanding child'. Unfortunately she's one who thinks is easier and better just to give in to him once he gets loud.

Don't get me wrong, if the child had no-one to play with, or if my DS was in anyway saying that the boy couldn't play the game they were playing I'd understand it. In fact if DS was excluding him from the games I'd come down on him like a tonne of bricks! However, that's not what is happening. I'm not at all happy about almost half of his breaks being completely dictated by another child so specifically.

DH thinks it would be "kind" to tell the school we'll agree to 1 lunchtime, but I don't want to agree to any. AIBU to say no completely to any rota?

OP posts:
howabout · 22/03/2019 10:35

Stand your ground. The teacher is looking for an easier life. Just keep demonstrating that upsetting the parents of the well behaved DC is not the way to do it.

Was discussing handling bullying with my 7 year old on the way to school. She said she just walked away from anyone being not nice. If they were to not leave her alone she would report to the teacher. I said if ever this didn't work to tell me and I would sort it. DD looked at me like I had 2 heads for worrying that I would ever need to be involved. Our school has a nurturing / anti-bullying strategy in place and all these things are discussed upfront in group discussions with the DC. It works.

In contrast your son's school is undermining his ability to deal with the other boy and his confidence in the adults at school and home to look out for him by trying to enforce playing with him.

GabsAlot · 22/03/2019 10:47

ridiculous it take up alot of their time so theyre fobbing it off on your son?

hope the other meeting goes better than this

PCohle · 22/03/2019 10:49

Why is this boy's desire to do this activity more important than your son's desire not to?

If your son kicks off every time he doesn't get to play football will they set up a special rota to facilitate him being able to play?

They are clearly doing this for an easier life for the teachers and I don't think it's doing the boy in question any favours.

I hope you get a better response from the head.

diddl · 22/03/2019 10:51

"His only concern seemed to be that it was taking up a lot of time for the school in dealing with it every day"

Wtf?

Accommodate the wishes of all kids-does that really include being forced to kids who are violent to you?

BreakfastAtSquiffanys · 22/03/2019 10:58

the child has already been told of the rota plan so changing it would be problematic
Your response to this when meeting the Head later is "not my problem"

I wonder what the problem child's parents think of this idea..

MarmotMorning · 22/03/2019 10:59

My child experienced this where another child wouldn't let them play with anyone one else.
It was a form of bullying but it took the school a while to take it seriously as it wasn't the more usual exclusion type behaviour seen with bullying.

I'd suggest when you talk to the school you focus on the fact your son is been bullied by this child and what are they going to do about it.

kbPOW · 22/03/2019 11:01

the child has already been told of the rota plan so changing it would be problematic

'That's unfortunate for you. I'll leave you to work out how you're going to undo it'

UnexpectedItemInShaggingArea · 22/03/2019 11:02

Yeah. Not your circus, not your monkeys.

diddl · 22/03/2019 11:03

"the child has already been told of the rota plan so changing it would be problematic"

Well that was just stupid of the school then (if true).

Are they hoping that the parents of the boys concerned will just roll over?

Drum2018 · 22/03/2019 11:05

This post has raised my blood pressure. If it were my Ds I'd feel exactly the same as you and would under no circumstances stand for their lazy 'solution' to another child's issues. Your child is not obliged to play with him and as for being kicked previously, I'd bring that up at the meeting and ask why on earth your child should be subjected to this child's bratty behaviour. His mother sounds like a fucking dream blaming it on him being spoilt - whose fault is that? I'd be mortified if my child behaved the way hers did, given there are no sn issues to consider, according to her.

Stand your ground. Do not compromise on this issue - don't give in to your Ds having to play with this child for even one breaktime per week. Everyone should feel free to play as they wish and this other child has plenty of other kids to share his interest in the board games with.

Good luck this afternoon.

Louiselouie0890 · 22/03/2019 11:10

I would not be happy either. Good luck OP stuck to your guns

Louiselouie0890 · 22/03/2019 11:11

Stick

FriarTuck · 22/03/2019 11:15

Hell no! If they're that concerned about the other child then have someone stand by the board game encouraging other pupils to play with him. You can't force 2 kids to play with someone if they don't want to. Talk about a recipe for disaster. Tell DS that he has your full permission to play football or whatever and that if he gets into trouble for not playing with bratty child then he'll not be in any trouble with you and that you'll deal with the school.

minipie · 22/03/2019 11:22

Absolutely not. This rota is unfair on your son, and it’s actually not doing the trantrummy child any favours either. Sooner or later he’s going to need to understand that he can’t force people to play what he wants.

Comefromaway · 22/03/2019 11:22

*I'd also urge you to be careful with how you approach the school OP, as a lot of head state starting to clamp down on uncooperative parents.

DH is headteacher at a free school and he won't hesitate to manage out uncooperative parents and their DC, as it just isn't conducive to a positive environment or working relationship to have parents undermining the school's authority and decisions.*

Oh really. What happened to your assertion that parents are the clients and the school and teachers should do everything to accommodate them as they are the customer?

YellowFish123 · 22/03/2019 11:35

I didn't say DH excludes anyone, I said 'manage out'.

KatnissMellark · 22/03/2019 11:39

School are bonkers.

Tavannach · 22/03/2019 11:42

Good luck with the Head this afternoon.

goldengummybear · 22/03/2019 11:44

I'd be telling the school no fucking way. It's break so ds chooses what he does.

Is this boy in y6? This kind of behaviour shouldn't be tolerated in juniors and if he did this in secondary then people would be taking the piss out of him big time.

YellowFish123 · 22/03/2019 11:49

DH believes in meeting the needs of clients(parents) @Comefromaway. That's why he offers home visits for parents evening and also provides weekly written reports from teachers if requested.

However, that doesn't extend to parents making decisions over how the school operates or how DC will spend their lunch. That isn't tolerated, and the parents concerned will soon find themselves on the unwanted list, and then managed out if they continue to be non-conducive to the good of the school.

billybagpuss · 22/03/2019 11:50

Are they year 5 or 6, this lad is going to get a very rude awakening in September if he's moving on.

Hope this afternoon is more satisfactory for you OP.

Toooldtocareanymore · 22/03/2019 11:54

I agree with you 100%

Strawberry2017 · 22/03/2019 11:55

I feel awful that these 2 boys who just want to play and enjoy themselves are been forced in to this situation.
The school are handling this in the worst way possible.

FrancisCrawford · 22/03/2019 11:56

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goldengummybear · 22/03/2019 11:58

Good luck at 2pm.

Bizarre that the solution to this isn't an adult playing the boy. Schools take advantage of well behaved kids too often.

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