To think this absolutely is homophobic

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Muslim families have successfully argued for Birmingham primary schools to stop the No Outsiders programme

"Morally we do not accept homosexuality as a valid sexual relationship to have. It's not about being homophobic... that's like saying, if you don't believe in Islam, you're Islamophobic."

AIBU to think:

1. This absolutely is a homophobic thing to say
2. There are plenty of places in the world where you would get stoned for stating you didn’t believe in Islam!

Hopefully this link works: www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-birmingham-47613578

Sam your post is very encouraging.

You can say you dont believe in anything ,
Many Christians ( and other religions ) will also have the same views . Its when these views incite hatred ,persecution or violence it becomes phobic
I think that the media are manipulating this as a form of anti muslim propoganda , which is a worrying agenda

They don’t need to manipulate it. Said parents have bullied the academy into dropping a program proven to be appropriate and clearly much needed. That is the issue. Doesn’t need to be dressed up, homophobic and very wrong.

@ Nordic Star

You are a prime example of someone who is being manipulated by the media
There is a line , albeit a fine one between believing in something and acting negatively to the detriment or harm to others

You are close to inciting racial hatred with that well worn cliche of abiding by this country's laws , its a red herring

As in my previous post , Its not just Islam that struggles with homosexuality , if you are going to attack one religion then you must attack all of them that have the same views
Islam is just an easy target ( with a hidden agenda ) ,

Utter tosh. If any Christian school did the same thing Id feel the same. All Muslims don’t behave like this. There are Muslim parents up and down the land not insisting these issues are pulled from the curriculum.

If you believe that one race is superior to all the others, even if you don't actively attack or discriminate against people who aren't that race, you are still racist. Ditto for sexuality, if you think heterosexuality is superior you are homophobic. It doesn't matter which religion you hide it behind.

And these parents are harming others, the mental health of impressionable gay children.

@Breeze44

"People saying things like if their brother came to them and said they were gay they would take them to Pakistan and kill them, that’s not allowed."

It doesn't matter if it's "allowed". The point is there are people out there who do think like that, which is why these lessons are necessary.

Didn't a bunch of homophobic misogynistic old bearded men write the bible and the Koran? Who else would write about 15 year old 'virgins' getting pregnant and prophet Mohammed taking child brides.

Bobbin Himosexuality isn’t wrong or a sin. You are simply homophobic. Truth might not be palatable but it is what is.

Lol. You don't know what truth is.

Um.... it's not the other poster that doesn't know what truth is, bobb1n

www.icmunlimited.com/polls/icm-muslims-survey-for-channel-4/

In 2016, 47% of Muslims surveyed thought it was unacceptable for a homosexual person to be a teacher in a school and 48% thought homosexuality should be illegal, 56% thought gay marriage should be illegal.

They are the ones who want to impose their beliefs on other people. They think that consensual relationships between adults should be illegal.

I don't think it's just muslims, I mean Christians can think it's wrong or unnatural too, can't they?
So not sure why the focus on Muslims.

Vulpine, men did not write the Qur’an. It is a revelation from Allah.

Medusa there is consensus on many issues, too many to list really. Some examples are the obligation of praying the five daily prayers, the obligation of fasting in Ramadan, the prohibition of interest, and the prohibition of eating pork.
With regards to the issue of apostasy, it is a bit more complicated than that but I don’t really want to get into the details of it as I believe there are some legal restrictions in the UK around discussing some Islamic rulings and I’m not sure if discussion of hadd punishments falls in that category.
Certainly Muslims in the UK would not be allowed to go around killing Ahmadis.

How did the 'revelation' get written down

Sam221 I never claimed to be speaking on behalf of all Muslims. When I mentioned having the same beliefs as more than 1 billion people I did not mean beliefs about every single issue. Rather it was with regards to belief in Allah as that was what a pp was commenting on at the time.
I am giving my own perspective as a Muslim in the UK and mentioning my experience of the perspectives of other Muslims both in the UK and in Muslim countries, but I’m not claiming to be a spokesperson for them.
If you don’t want to debate with me I’m certainly not going to beg you to do so lol. I’m busy enough as it is just trying to answer all the questions I’ve been asked on this thread.

We have laws in our country to protect others from racism, homophobia, disablism etc ... anybody in our country has to live by these laws of common decency or face the consequences of the law within the country as a whole. Thankfully we don’t abide by individual laws. There would be anarchy if we did and clearly severe human rights issues

For me this is the absolute crux of the issue, and why I really don't welcome "alternative" forms of justice in the UK, whether that's jewish Beth Din courts, muslim Sharia ones, aspects of the (unfortunately established) CofE's ecclesiastical courts or anything else

We are of course assured that these deal only with strictly private matters - a claim usually accompanied by cries of prejudice if any opposition's raised - but this surely ignores the issue of creeping influence, especially among those who come to believe that the rulings of such bodies are the only legitimate ones

And it really does seem a bit ironic that religions are so quick to claim discrimination against themselves, when so many are deeply rooted in misogyny and exclusionary practices of all kinds

men did not write the Qur’an. It is a revelation from Allah

Please correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought the Qur'an was delivered orally to the prophet over a number of years and that he had scribes who wrote it down? Even if Mohammed himself was held to be infallible, doesn't that create the possibility of error among the scribes, just as Christianity's four gospel writers had slightly different versions of what they perceived to be the truth?

I also admit to being a bit confused by your comment about "legal restrictions in the UK around discussing some Islamic rulings". I don't pretend any legal knowledge, but surely the UK has no embargo on speaking about religious pronouncements?

So how exactly does someone overcome their sexuality?

'I’d also like to know what the hair curling approved materials are.'

Right, here are a few...
-Socialism being taught as a perfectly valid system of government
-Assimilation is negative whereas multiculturalism in society is superior.
-Islam is means peace/Islam is the religion of peace.

Just a few off the top of my head!

Nordic star you said people have to abide by the laws but how is the law being broken? The protests were not against the law in principle. BBC report on the protests outside the school said that the school staff had called the police because some of the protesters had shouted at them, but that the only offence known to have been committed was graffiti and they were reviewing footage to see if there were any other offences. That means that the mere fact of protesting was not against the law. Nor is it against the law to state one’s beliefs otherwise parents opposed to the program would not be interviewed on tv and radio.
FYI if you did show your hair and arms in most Muslim countries today you would not be in breach of their current laws.

With regard to religious courts in the UK, I have no familiarity with the Jewish and Christian courts that you mentioned, but the main consequences of removing sharia courts would be that Muslim women would no longer be able to get divorced unless their husband was the one to divorce them. What would that achieve?
Also, such courts could no more start taking on criminal cases than the civil and family courts of the UK system could.

Stating gay relationships aren't equivalent to heterosexual ones is homophobic, you're saying you don't value or recognise one over the other. They're both equal in law!

This story is just insanity. Some people are gay, regardless of culture or religious belief, the earlier we ensure children see all types of people and families the better. Maybe then there won't be so much hate in the world.