Circumcision

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DP wants DS circumcised however I don't. I also have MIL getting involved and pressuring me. What do I do? I want to be fair to my partner but I really don't want him veg for circumcised. HELP!!!!

It's closer in nature to getting a baby's ears pierced than it is to FGM

That’s utter bollocks.

"Here is how rulings on certain issues are prioritised in terms of hierarchy: "

Well, that's just fucking stupid isn't it. To be blunt, if the rules in a fictional book supersede, oh, I dunno, the rights of a parent to make an intelligent choice for their child then clearly something is wrong.

Yes, it's done without consent. That's basically where the similarities lie. It's closer in nature to getting a baby's ears pierced than it is to FGM.

Except that getting a baby's ears pierced isn't so painful, likely to lead to complications, or going to impact their sex life as an adult.

@Hazelnutpie care to elaborate at all? Omits own your statement is pretty pointless.

Ear piercing leaves you with mutilated but functioning ears. Circumcision leaves you with a mutilated but functioning penis. FGM leaves you with mutilated genitalia and a lifelong inability to enjoy any form of normal sex life and therefore normal sexual relationship.

I'm not saying circumcision is the same as ear piercing, but there are more similarities between the two than there are between circumcision and FGM.

@Stompythedinosaur www.nhs.uk/news/lifestyle-and-exercise/male-circumcision-doesnt-affect-sexual-satisfaction/

See my username

The only way you’ll get true stats on whether circumcision affects someone’s sex life is if they’re circumsized as adults surely?

My ex was circumsized (aged 3 for medical reasons), he enjoys his sex life but always acknowledge he didn’t know if his sex life would be better had he not been. It’s an interesting topic actually.

Ear piercing doesn’t lead to the following, comparison to ear piercing is ridiculous:
med.stanford.edu/newborns/professional-education/circumcision/complications.html

No potentially painful and risky surgery should be inflicted on a child unless that procedure is necessary for an improved quality of life. Sod your partner,be fair to your son who can choose whether to be circumcised or not himself when he is a lot lot older.

@BabyDarling can you explain how desensitising the head of the penis doesn't affect sexual pleasure? How removing the part where millions of nerve endings are won't make a difference to feeling?

And it is brutal, its barbaric and the aftermath with infection risk is ridiculous

@celtiethree www.hopkinsmedicine.org/news/articles/The-Risks-of-Infant-Ear-Piercing
To be fair you can find a link to back up pretty much any statement.

Circumcised men retain the use of a fully functional penis and enjoy normal sexual sensation and pleasure.

You want to remove 20,000 nerve endings and protection of the most delicate part of their anatomy from a baby and claim that their sex life will be just the same later on?

Do tell me again how removing part of a tiny baby's penis is just the same as stabbing their earlobes with a needle.

both are a gross and unnecessary thing to do to a baby

@PleaseJustSayNo no because I don't have a penis. But the men surveyed in the article I linked to have penises and they can tell you.

Pretty sure if I didn't have a clitoris I'd know my sexual sensations were impaired.

There are some factors that may be influencing the findings. For example, many studies were surveys, and recruitment for them is not described. It could be the case that men who have a satisfying sex life may be more willing to participate and answer questions on sexual performance and satisfaction that those who aren’t
Also, most of the responses in the study are subjective, and what one person considers to be a sexual problem or sexual satisfaction, another might not*

I think it’s important to acknowledge the limitations though, as I said the only accurate way to measure loss or not of sexual sensation would be in men who are circumsized once they’re sexually active. Which is very unlikely!

Mmmm yes that list of ear piercing complications - missing death, necrosis, amputation of the glans, requirement for corrective surgery. But sure let’s compare the two.

Please don’t get your child circumcised.

Firstly: painful, shaming, desensitising, unnecessary. I think the gender reversal is useful: would you cut off a baby girl’s labia because they’re dirty?

Secondly: start as you mean to go on. Big decisions regarding your child are for you and partner to decide not your MIL. Your partner should be able to deal with your son having a slightly different penis to him. They’re not going to spend much time with their penises out side by side and your son going to be different from you partner in so many ways, he should accept that.

another survey found that men after circumcision were more likely to find masturbation more difficult or that it gave less pleasure

But yeah sure, it has no effect. And @BabyDarling if you had never experienced your clitoris because it had been heavily desensitised as an infant then how would you know?

The medical benefits are extremely slight. The risk of harm being done (beyond the chopping off of a piece of penis) is low. It’s a cultural not a medical issue.

Smother: The OP knows what she believes. She doesn’t need you yelling it repetitively.

If you live in a family with a range of beliefs and practices it doesn’t mean you have to compromise your beliefs but it means you need to place your principles with respect, listen, communicate and understand what it means for the other party to have their beliefs not upheld.

Shrieking polarisation may be a way to run a campaign but it isn’t a way to hold a diverse family together.

The OP has the law in her side and she is committed to not circumcising her child.

It is the relationships that are the issue.

@JacquesHammer they know if they orgasm though.

For those rushing to attack me, I did stare very very clearly that I'm opposed to circumcision. I'm making the point (well, trying to, as if anyone was bloody interested) tgat it is no way as severe as FGM. I'm comparing it to lesser mutilations to make that point. No, it isn't the same as ear piercing (it's worse). No, FGM is not like circumcision (it's worse).

People getting annoyed at me comparing ear piercing and circumcision... I get it. But you ahould have already been annoyed at yhe ludicrous comparison between circumcision and FGM.

they know if they orgasm though

sure....however ease of orgasm, feelings during sex/masturbation might be affected.

Would you might not tagging me please? I’m reading the thread but I still get notifications despite turning it off. Thanks

I was in exactly the same position as you OP (DH American and wanted DS circumcised). I discussed it with the GP and he said it just wasn’t done in the UK routinely and that was enough to put an end to it luckily.

Are none of you wondering why FGM is illegal and circumcision isn't if they're so patently equally damaging? I guess it's just another one of those anti male conspiracies eh. The world's full of them isn't it

From my entirely unscientific and limited experience, circumcised penis take longer to orgasm and are a bugger to masterbate, without the grip aid of the forskin they need lubricant. They don’t get as much from oral either as that’s mostly based on the head of the penis. Also the skin on the head is harder than on an uncircumcised head. During penetration the forskin sits against the walls of the virgina preventing friction. I found sex with circumcised men for me was fine, but uncircumcised is more pleasurable. I wonder if it’s original purpose is to put men off masterbation and oral sex and focus on PIV and procreation and subsequent religions have embraced this.

Are none of you wondering why FGM is illegal and circumcision isn't if they're so patently equally damaging?

Well I think circumcision - without a medical need - should be illegal too.