To let you know thought crime is now a thing

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Apologies for the odious DM link, but this has really chilled me.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6827459/Catholic-journalist-questioned-caution-police-misgendering-someones-daughter.html

A woman is being investigated by police and faces a two year jail sentence for allegedly misgendering Jackie Green during a tweet. What has the world become when we cannot state simple, biological facts without fear of prosecution? And why do the beliefs of the mother and daughter (that they are now living as a member of the opposite sex) trump the beliefs of Caroline Farrow? I am all for protecting vulnerable people from hate crimes, but this is not a hate crime, and makes a mockery of people facing real discrimination and fear.

On the plus side, I may move to Surrey; clearly its ridiculously safe if the police have all that time to investigate this!

Misgendering is NOT A CRIME.

If it's not done with intent to harass. HOWEVER MUCH YOU SHOUT IT DOESN'T MAKE IT LESS TRUE It'd be part of hate crime.

Extra word less in there sorry

You really don't get it do you LimeKiwi?

Are you saying that the four tweets made by Caroline Farrow were harassment of Susie Green?

Hate crime -

homophobic comments
racist comments
transphobic comments

No.

For something to be a hate crime it first has to reach the threshold of being an actual crime. The 'hate' part is then taken as an aggravating factor.

There's another (bullshit) thing called a 'hate incident' where no crime has been committed and the 'hate' is purely in the opinion of the person who feels wronged. Police seem to love these because they don't have to investigate, just record it. Maybe that's what you meant?

Crucially, 'hate crime' and 'hate incidents' do not cover all the EA protected characteristics. Sex is a glaring omission.

You really don't get it do you LimeKiwi?

I'm not the one not getting it.

For something to be a hate crime it first has to reach the threshold of being an actual crime. The 'hate' part is then taken as an aggravating factor.

I didn't know that. Thank you.

So things shouldn't get reported then? Someone did see it as transphobic/harassing/prejudiced towards transpeople, otherwise it wouldn't have been reported in the first place.
That's what the police are for...
My boyfriend's ex looked at me funny/said I nicked her makeup! Arrest her!
Sorry madam that's not a crime. Go home and have a lie down please.
Oh hang on did you nick her makeup?
Yes but that's NOT THE POINT.
Would you mind coming with us madam.
NOT
Oh we'd better have her in for questioning.

For something to be a hate crime it first has to reach the threshold of being an actual crime. The 'hate' part is then taken as an aggravating factor

Was she charged with anything? Or just questioned/investigated?
As you're right, for it to be actual hate crime it would have to have reached being an actual crime.
That's what police do - investigate reports of a hate crime. If there hasn't been one, fine. They do check things out though if they receive reports.

LimeKiwi you really aren't getting it at all and I suspect that is because you don't want to.

LimeKiwi you really aren't getting it at all and I suspect that is because you don't want to

I was thinking the exact same thing about some on here funnily enough

LimeKiwi if you had bothered to read about it you would have discovered that Caroline Farrow was telephoned by Surrey Police and asked to present herself at Guildford Police Station for questioning. When Caroline asked what she was being questioned about the Police responded that she was being investigated for - and here we go again - the (non) crime of misgendering in relation to tweets published in September/October 2018. When Caroline asked what would happen if she did not attend she was told she would be arrested for the (non) crime of misgendering for which there is no power of arrest. Caroline was not made privy to which tweets were the basis of the investigation.

Caroline was never charged or questioned because before she had chance to attend any interview Susie Green decided to do the following:

1. Declare in the media that she was withdrawing the complaint.
2. Fail to actually inform or complete the required paperwork with the Police in order to do that.
3. Appear on the BBC and give full details of the public tweets at the centre of the investigation whilst said investigation was still active due to (2) above.

As repeatedly stated none of those tweets reach the bar of hate crime, harassment or any other crime.

Three question that need to be asked are:

Why the Police behaved the way they did, what is their justification for their actions?

Why are Susie Green and Mermaids attempting to use the Police and Courts to shut down scrutiny and criticism of their actions and policies? Mermaids is a charity in receipt of public money it is not above the law and is subject to the same scrutiny and criticism as any other charities or institutions in receipt of public funding and it is not, should not and cannot be protected from people expressing disagreement as to its aims and policies.

Why are Mermaid and Susie Green not being investigated for their actions in this and other cases?

I was thinking the exact same thing about some on here funnily enough

But were you thinking with intent? Because that can be harassment.

Yes. I am definitely feeling harassed because the poster's comments were on the same thread as mine and the intent was there and there were repeated - repeated, I tell you - posts. I hope the police investigate as this is obviously harassment and is also most likely a hate crime.

investigate reports of a hate crime In this case, that would involve simply reading the tweets and immediately concluding there was no crime. She should never have been telephoned or threatened with arrest.

But were you thinking with intent? Because that can be harassment

Didn''t say that in that context, did I.
Bit of a bizarre comment to make.

Didn''t say that in that context, did I. Bit of a bizarre comment to make.

Sigh.