AIBU to ask Leavers if this is what you voted for?

[longwayoff]

And if it is are you looking forward to 29th?

Clav... WTAF is wrong with you? Where has anyone said REMAINERS want to veto Turkey's accession? Have I missed something?
The point people are making is that Turkey was used in the Leave campaign to frighten people and stoke xenophobia. See posters. The Leave campaign didn't just pull campaigns out of thin air. They knew what buttons to push and this particular campaign was an appeal to the racists/xenophobes, as was the 'Breaking Point' poster. The 'fact' that Turkey would join was a lie, because Turkey is in no position to join and ANY COUNTRY has a right to veto a new accession.
If Turkey manages to meet the conditions of membership it will be just fine to join the EU.
Yes. Once Turkey is in a position to join (sorts out its human rights record, agrees to comply with EU law etc) there would be no reason to veto it - although any country could and might. Greece might want to, for example. (This is not something that anti-secularist Erdogan seems interested in pursuing.)
Remainers are not implying what you claim they are implying. You are choosing to infer something else from what they (and I) have written.

You forget that (some) remainers are bigots, but they are right kind of bigots

I know that (some) was for me

Rufusthebewilderedreindeer

Always.

It has to do with respect. :)

Remainers are not implying what you claim they are implying.

Yes they are.

Why would member states be asked to vote on accession - unless there was a critical point at which a vote was needed?

The BBC are saying exactly the same thing here;
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36355138

The claim:Leave campaigners claim five countries:Albania, Macedonia, Montenegro, Serbia and Turkey will join the EU soon.

Reality Check verdict:The five countries are not going to join the EU any time soon and their admission to the EU - once they fulfil all the criteria - will be subject to a veto by the UK and all the other 27 existing EU countries.

I they fulfil all the criteria - why would we exercise our veto?

A bad thing obviously - it would be considered racist if we exercised our veto.
Clav
WTAF? Do you ever think before you hit the keyboard?

If they fulfil all the criteria...

Do you ever think before you hit the keyboard?

Actually - I meant a good thing if we lost our veto (by leaving the EU) - because it would be considered racist if we used it to veto Turkey.

I did notice my mistake earlier - but I was hoping you wouldn't notice.

Yes. If they fulfil all the criteria they can join. They don't, however, fulfil the criteria. Therefore, they cannot join. HTH.

Has anyone been able to determine where John Bercow got his nice stripy jumper

I hope that revoke A50 campaign gets the numbers.
I’m Irish and have nothing but sympathy for our friends/colleagues/neighbours/family across the water in the UK find a way out of this absolute mess. I hope that doesn’t sound odd or in any way patronising.

It’s hard to watch tbh

Yes. If they fulfil all the criteria they can join.

That's fine - but why do Remainers keep referring to the veto?

Last weekend's webchat obviously covered this topic -

Eleanor Scott article, 'Did Mumsnet Catch Out Penny Mordaunt Over Turkey 'Lies'?'

Penny Mordaunt’s webchat answer about Turkey and the UK’s veto on Mumsnet is interesting and illuminating.One might be tempted to ask of the Secretary of State and Minister for Women, are you now lying about why you lied?

Turkey and the UK veto. Ring any bells? It led to headlines such as the Guardian’s ‘David Cameron suggests defence minister [Mordaunt] is lying over Turkey joining EU’.

www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/may/22/david-cameron-defence-minister-penny-mordaunt-lying-turkey-joining-eu

Here’s the question(s) that Penny Mordaunt was asked on Mumsnet:

During the Brexit campaign, you repeatedly said that the UK couldn't stop Turkey from joining the EU.This was a huge lie.

I'll ask again - Why do Remainers want to veto Turkey's accession to the EU?

Aaahh

Im sat here all happy

"I know you are but what am I? Eh? Eh?"

Why would Remainers want to veto Turkey - if Turkey manages to meet the conditions of membership

Well, I voted remain and would have no problem with Turkey joining if it met the conditions, actually. I was pointing out that leave campaign were wrong to state they were in the process of joining, and that a simple Google search would have told anybody that.

Anyway, the point, which you are spectacularly ignoring, is that leave campaigned on xenophobia (see the posters that nicely label Syria and Iraq next to Turkey just in case the threat of Turkey isn't enough)

I'll ask again - Why do Remainers want to veto Turkey's accession to the EU?
Why the fuck are you banging this drum?
And why are you citing Penny Mordaunt's webchat? She's a Leave liar. Why are you linking what she said to your assertion that Remainers want to veto Turkey's accession? Where did you even get that idea? Did you make it up in your head? This is getting bonkers.

twofingerstoEverything
Why the fuck are you banging this drum?
And why are you citing Penny Mordaunt's webchat? She's a Leave liar. Why are you linking what she said to your assertion that Remainers want to veto Turkey's accession?

Oh, you came back - so I will have to answer.

In her interview with Andrew Marr, Penny Mordaunt said the UK does not have a veto over the new membership of states such as Turkey.

“This is our last chance to have a say on this, we’re not going to be consulted on whether those countries should join.Those countries are going to join, it is a matter of when."

Andrew Marr suggested this was wrong, given “the British government does have a veto on Turkey joining, "so we don’t have to let them join"

Penny Mordaunt was again accused of lying in the recent webchat on mumsnet.

My point is - why do so many Remainers (I can copy and paste a whole load of posts on mumsnet if you wish) not want to let Turkey join the EU if they meet the criteria? Why is it important to you that we have a veto? What legitimate reason would you have to exercise the veto if Turkey meet the criteria to join the EU?

You might as well say, "We're happy to give you an interview - but we wouldn't let you join the club anyway."

That's just as racist as the accusation towards Leave voters - but you just don't recognise it.

Afineexample
It was you who posted this a few pages back;

and more importantly because the UK (or any other member state) had an absolute veto that it could use if it didn't think Turkey (or any other state) should be a member of the EU

We keep citing the veto because leavers imply that Turkey joining would be forced on us, it wouldn't, even if Turkey meets all the conditions of accession it can still be vetoed.

Penny Morduant was incorrect and lying about Turkey and the lack of veto.

You are twisting and turning and trying to justify your point and failing.

Lovely to see your vacuousness exposed.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36355138

Clav This is going to be my last response on this subject, as it seems that no matter what I write, you do not WANT to understand. Either that, or you are on a massive wind-up. I suspect the latter.

Penny Mordaunt lied. Britain - and all the other EU countries - have a veto on ANY country, including Turkey, wishing to join. Andrew Marr was correct to challenge her, because we (meaning UK and any other EU country) would have been able to veto their membership on the grounds that they don't meet the entry criteria.

My point is - why do so many Remainers (I can copy and paste a whole load of posts on mumsnet if you wish) not want to let Turkey join the EU if they meet the criteria? Why is it important to you that we have a veto?
It is an important FACT that we have a veto because that FACT counters the LEAVE argument that Turkey was about to join the EU. It was NOT about to join because it DOES NOT meet the criteria. This does not translate as 'Remainers want to apply a veto to Turkey's membership'. Please do feel free to cut and paste as many remainer posts as you wish that categorically say that we should veto Turkey's entry even if they fulfil all the joining criteria. NB: Afineexample's post does NOT say that.
What legitimate reason would you have to exercise the veto if Turkey meet the criteria to join the EU?
There is no legitimate reason to exercise the veto if Turkey meets the criteria. Who has said there would, or should, be?

Jesus wept.

BorisBogtrotter
Lovely to see you have me on speed dial.

even if Turkey meets all the conditions of accession it can still be vetoed.
Why would we want to veto? You still haven't answered this question.

You are twisting and turning and trying to justify your point and failing.

I disagree - I think Remain voters don't want Turkey joining the EU (if they meet the criteria) for exactly the same reasons as Leave voters.

That's not to diminish the friendly relationship we have with Turkey via trade and tourism and with Turkish citizens living and working in the UK - I do stress that.

twofingerstoEverything
^
Andrew Marr was correct to challenge her, because we (meaning UK and any other EU country) would have been able to veto their membership on the grounds that they don't meet the entry criteria.^

twofingerstoEverything
italics fail - that was your post.

It's quite a thing to behold.