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AIBU to ask Leavers if this is what you voted for?

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longwayoff · 19/03/2019 22:35

And if it is are you looking forward to 29th?

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BorisBogtrotter · 21/03/2019 08:46

Oh good copy and paste Clav is here to share her infinite wisdom ( without checking the source or accuracy of what she posts first, just whatever confirms her bias).

Unfortunately this is what leave voters voted for, and no you can't have done your research.

Oh and no, its not enough to say "I voted to leave the EU" because you have to have valid points and reasons for that and justification of why the UK is better off out for that.

You don't.

Clavinova · 21/03/2019 09:15

BorisBogtrotter

Oh good copy and paste Clav is here to share her infinite wisdom ( without checking the source or accuracy of what she posts first, just whatever confirms her bias).

I linked to the EU Commission's own website Confused.

BoneyBackJefferson · 21/03/2019 09:37

longwayoff

And yet leave so so "honest" that it was also pulled up for breaking the rules.

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longwayoff · 21/03/2019 09:49

O phooey. Deny the rest.

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Theimpossiblegirl · 21/03/2019 09:56

NO LEAVER VOTED FOR THE CURRENT SHIT SHOW
No, it was the Remainers that didn't vote for the current shitshow. This is exactly what people that voted leave have caused by voting for it.

BorisBogtrotter · 21/03/2019 10:40

"I linked to the EU Commission's own website"

On one post, however you have been known to link to out dated information or info from partisan websites.

The stuff about Turkey joining from the EU commission is true, however, you could easily have found the information on how far Turkey is away from joining.

Even then it doesn't refute the claim that stoking fears of Turkey joining the EU were racist.

Clavinova · 21/03/2019 10:53

On one post, however you have been known to link to out dated information or info from partisan websites

Oh, yes - The Daily Telegraph Grin

Even then it doesn't refute the claim that stoking fears of Turkey joining the EU were racist.

I think it's more the size of the population - almost 80 million.

Hamsternauts · 21/03/2019 10:54

The sneery, condescending attitudes of some posters on here makes me almost wish I had voted leave confused
In all your posts you are doing a good impression of someone who did vote leave but doesn't like to admit it.
As if someone who voted to remain and thought leaving was a huge mistake would wish they'd voted leave to teach remainers a lesson!
I have more respect for people who say they voted leave and argue their case.

BorisBogtrotter · 21/03/2019 11:00

Yes the Daily Telegraph has baias.

"I think it's more the size of the population - almost 80 million."

Which is racist in its implication, that they are coming here ( using swarms as metaphors) , why would 80m people come here? Why would having some Turkish migrants be a bad thing, when there are already Turkish populations in the UK.

The implication is that Turkey joining would be bad for the UK.

Clavinova · 21/03/2019 11:08

Why would having some Turkish migrants be a bad thing
No problem with that at all.

The implication is that Turkey joining would be bad for the UK
Why haven't Turkey joined the EU already then?

PregnantSea · 21/03/2019 11:17

Nobody voted for what is happening now. As someone who lives on another continent I am sick to death of people laughing at me and saying what a shit show my country looks right now. The whole world is laughing at us and I don't blame them.

Perhaps we could have muddled through with leaving the EU if we had people in Parliament who were actually capable of doing their jobs and writing policy. Unfortunately we've got May on the job who has proven repeatedly that she's incapable of doing what she signed up for. I think that now even if we did end up staying it would leave a huge number of people very angry and it would hugely damage our standing in the EU. The damage has already been done.

TL;DR version - whatever we do now, leave or remain, we've fucked it.

twofingerstoEverything · 21/03/2019 11:26

Why haven't Turkey joined the EU already then?
OK, I'm going to treat this as if it was a serious question. Turkish policies and its record on human rights etc mean it is in violation of the Copenhagen criteria for EU membership. In other words, the EU would not accept them as members because its laws do not align with those expected by the EU. This has got worse with Erdogan, who has damaged relations with the EU to an extent where almost every EU country would have (rightly) vetoed its membership. The EU will not accept as a member a country which locks up journalists and other dissenters. The Leave campaign was an appeal to racists and xenophobes who don't know the first thing about Turkey, its leadership, its history, or its politics.

BorisBogtrotter · 21/03/2019 11:51

"The Leave campaign was an appeal to racists and xenophobes who don't know the first thing about Turkey, its leadership, its history, or its politics."

Exactly this.

If Turkey manages to meet the conditions of membership it will be just fine to join the EU.

BoneyBackJefferson · 21/03/2019 11:56

longwayoff
O phooey. Deny the rest.

I'm not the one denying anything

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longwayoff · 21/03/2019 12:00

Quite.

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Clavinova · 21/03/2019 17:59

If Turkey manages to meet the conditions of membership it will be just fine to join the EU.

What I don't understand is why Remainers keep protesting that the UK can veto Turkey joining the EU.

and more importantly because the UK (or any other member state) had an absolute veto that it could use if it didn't think Turkey (or any other state) should be a member of the EU

Why would they want to veto Turkey joining?

twofingerstoEverything · 21/03/2019 18:22

What I don't understand is why Remainers keep protesting that the UK can veto Turkey joining the EU.
Clav, really?
Because any existing member can veto accession. This is one area where unaninimty of all 28 EU members is required.
The point is that Turkey cannot meet the conditions and has signally failed to do so for decades. have a read of this if you really want to understand
Why would they want to veto Turkey joining?
Because it would be unacceptable to have as a member a country that has such a woeful human rights record. The Copenhagen criteria says aspiring members must have the "ability to take on the obligations of membership, including the capacity to effectively implement the rules, standards and policies that make up the body of EU law". Turkey does not do this and does not look capable of doing this in the near future.

daftgeranium · 21/03/2019 18:33

Leavers should be bloody ashamed of themselves, they made all this happen.

MissGiddyPants · 21/03/2019 18:42

Oh give over. The government should be ashamed.

Clavinova · 21/03/2019 18:56

twofingerstoEverything

That's not what I meant.The heading of my post was;

If Turkey manages to meet the conditions of membership it will be just fine to join the EU.

Why would Remainers want to veto Turkey - if Turkey manages to meet the conditions of membership? That's what numerous Remainers are implying with comments such as;

and more importantly because the UK (or any other member state) had an absolute veto that it could use if it didn't think Turkey (or any other state) should be a member of the EU

daftgeranium · 21/03/2019 19:01

MissGiddyPants - no, the voters for Leave, and the voters for Tories, made this happen. Own your vote, take responsibility for what it has caused.

MissGiddyPants · 21/03/2019 19:14

Nope. Given a choice. Chose. Expected better from the powers that be in delivering a 'good' Brexit.

And if we are on the blame game, why do all the supercilious remainers think so many voted to leave. And if all leavers are knuckle dragging gammon, whose fault is that?

TheresWaldo · 21/03/2019 19:16

Well one thing is for sure. If Turkey still hopes to join in the future, our veto will have gone out the window. Now is this a GOOD thing or a BAD thing?

Clavinova · 21/03/2019 19:21

A bad thing obviously - it would be considered racist if we exercised our veto.

BoneyBackJefferson · 21/03/2019 19:28

MissGiddyPants

And if we are on the blame game, why do all the supercilious remainers think so many voted to leave. And if all leavers are knuckle dragging gammon, whose fault is that?

You forget that (some) remainers are bigots, but they are right kind of bigots.

You also forget that the rest of us should know our place and how very dare we have an opinion that doesn't meet their exacting requirements of bullshit.