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AIBU to cut friend out because of this?

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alessandrae83 · 16/03/2019 23:31

To cut a long story short, me and my friend have been friends for around 10 years. We both have 2 children who are all the same ages and in the same years at school. Her child recently wound my son up at school and he reacted and threatened her with telling me and said I would sort her out. Not saying threats is the right behaviour but her child came out that same day before my son and told me he had threatened her for no reason. Turned out, as I said that it wasn't for no reason and she had been mean all day with her friends to him. I was upset that she would lie to me when she knew me but I know she's just a child. I said I would speak to my friend about the situation. The next day I didn't take the children to school so my husband bumped into my friend instead and he had words. Her daughter cried over being caught out and when my husband left, my friend reported my husband to the school without mentioning it to me before, during or after. I found out when school called about my husband apparently making a child cry on site. He said he only had a quiet word. Am I wrong to be upset that she didn't talk to me first after such a close friendship if she didn't agree with what he said? She tried to carry on as if she hadn't done it. I ignored her and she chose to keep her distance since which proves how much I'm worth to her right? That's the end of the friendship. We've had some very off/on/strange things happen in these 10 years but mainly been very close.

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dragonsfire · 17/03/2019 18:48

Did anyone read the other thread? The friend wasn’t great to the OP over something she had no control of. Sounds like the DH took a dislike of her treatment towards the OP and has never really trusted her.

The friend has been a bad friend long before this, it’s a complete separate issue from this incident- the OP is better off without this friend!

10IAR · 17/03/2019 18:51

Jesus the whole thread virtually defending a bully and not a thought for OPs son who is actually the victim!

Bullies usually cry when they're caught out, but it's fine to have a pop at OPs DH who was only defending his child!

Lovely deflection by the "friend" making it all about her DD who in fact created the whole situation.

OffToBedhampton · 17/03/2019 18:54

I disagree respectfully with montana because only you know what was said and you havent shared anything that suggested DH was wrong in that specific instance. He may be wrong in other ways, but not necessarily with respect to that Friend whom you have said enough about to worry me that she isn't nonabusive either

Not in terms of what you said happened.

However Montana's comments could trigger you to reflect on how DP is generally, and aren't a bad
suggestion (even if misplaced about that specific instance) . But s/he is trying to help. Even if I think it is muddling up issues.

I think there are a few PP trying to help that don't really understand nature of DA survivors experience , not fully getting that everyone else "other" aren't necessarily a safe island to cling to and each island need a critical eye. I talk from an incredible amount of experience from my related field.

What I do object to is
@ElevenSmiles who is clearly an abusive, goady poster.

Frenchmontana · 17/03/2019 18:54

dragonsfire that's parts of why the dh doesnt like her. He also doesnt like her because she confronted him about his behaviour towards OP. Which op has pretty much confirmed she was correct.

I am not saying she has been a great friend. However, maybe she is distancing herself because the ops husband who gas lights, its aggressive and people find intimidating.

People find my dp a bit intimidating. He Iis 6ft 4, huge and doesnt look particularly friendly. He says he has resting bitch face. Grin

No one avoids me or doesnt talk to me when he is around. No one including my best friend (dps sister) has felt the need to pull him about how he treats me.

And if the ops husband has instructed the kids not to speak to her (I mean who involves kids in something like that) he had no right approaching her to have a quiet word. He should have done the right thing and spoken to the school. Speaking to her when she had her daughter with her, was going to end like this.

alessandrae83 · 17/03/2019 18:55

@Jacks11 when he told my DS to ignore her I did have a go at him and told him it was rude and apologised on his behalf. The rest of the time they just ignored each other. She didn't approach him and he didn't speak with her. They avoided each other like the plague and I always felt in the middle. Drove me mad that they couldn't get along for mine and kids sake but I know that it was DH fault. She used to try with him but he couldn't get along with her first because she just wasn't his cup of tea and then because of how she would flirt with me and all the other things that lead him to his conclusion of her seeing me as more than a friend. As I said, he's been fine with others. I had a male friend I used to go and have drinks with and he never made me feel a bad way about that and was supportive of it.

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Frenchmontana · 17/03/2019 18:57

OffToBedhampton you are correct. The friend maybe a shitty friend too.

I haven't ever said the OP should automatically side with the friend or believe her. I just dont think she should believe her dh.

Either way, i still think the friend was right to approach the school ( assuming she did) and not go go directly to OP.

For her children and for the OP.

alessandrae83 · 17/03/2019 18:57

I do agree he makes other uncomfortable. When he's not there people talk to me. They've also mentioned that he seems stand offish and unapproachable. I know I make excuses that he just likes to keep to himself when the truth is that he says to me he doesn't like any of the parents at school as they are 'chavvy'. When he's with me at school, no one talks to me or at most they just say hello. They act like they don't know me at all. I know it's not right.

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OffToBedhampton · 17/03/2019 19:14

@alessandrae83

So many issues being muddled ....

Whilst Jacks111 wants to help, I suspect she/he hasn't RTFT nor let it sink in that others with experience and have RTFT have and have commented already. But s/he is trying to be kind.

How you described your DS as reacting wasn't in the slightest threatening, so let's get that out of way straight away, as "I'll tell my mum, she'll sort you out" isnt a big deal 😁 unless you have 'form' OP, are abusive and have a few arrests for violence under your belt 😶 that children know about. Since a kind friend mummy friend of 10 years isn't a threat but a 'want her to know' issue (And I really don't read you that way 😁) I suspect your Ds meant you'd be disappointed in them and stand up for him- quite rightly too.

But the other stuff, BVU ought be separate. DH doesn't like DFriend.
If he doesn't like any DFriends you have an issue, if it's just DFriend that he doesn't like and he articulates that and you agree, then " really?" You've expressed numerous doubts about her. If it doesn't sit right with & you argue against it, if it does and you doubt that she is trying to be supportive and fear she is abusing you too,
please find another friend or a few... If DH stops you from that you have a DH issue.

OffToBedhampton · 17/03/2019 19:18

Sorry eroneous "BVU!"! Got distracted by cute smallest DD as it's bedtime! 😍

OffToBedhampton · 17/03/2019 19:22

Lol, me and FrenchMontana are are agreeing more and more, even if different perspectives!

😂😂 Gotta love D**bag absuive poster (that would be sensible to change his/her username!!) , that brought us online together.

OffToBedhampton · 17/03/2019 19:28

So Montana and I will disagree about DH on that instance and DFriend going to HT. But it's probably not a big deal, yet the outcome is. Do you think your DFriend was reasonable? As I have doubts about her agenda. Do you still OP?

It's really genuinely your call. I am of the mind that a good friend would have spoken to you direct at some point ... If she was genuinely concerned. I know people and know how they act and when they don't reach out quietly, and enjoy the drama, I suspect theit motives. It's just my huge number of years experience about genuine behaviour, setting aside evidence stuff.

dragonsfire · 17/03/2019 19:29

@Frenchmontana in other thread it said he doesn’t like her because the friends ex tried it on with the OP- the OP told her and the friend didn’t talk to her for a year then came back when needed help with something.

Taking out the DH issue the OP doesn’t need this friend in her life! That was my point.

Whether she needs the DH is a separate issue! I was wanting to reassure her that cutting this friend out wasn’t wrong really shouldn’t have let her back before! I can see why DH doesn’t care for her I am not defending him on general treatment that’s a separate issue.

OffToBedhampton · 17/03/2019 19:32

@alessandrae83

You do realise that DH decribing others as chavvy (beneath him) is not a great sign overall. Besides this incidence. Because he may be 'in the right' in this incident and still be not be a great guy and controlling. It's not a great sign when a person writes off a generic number of likely decent intelligent lovely people as "beneath him".

Frenchmontana · 17/03/2019 19:40

in other thread it said he doesn’t like her because the friends ex tried it on with the OP- the OP told her and the friend didn’t talk to her for a year then came back when needed help with something.

And in this thread she says he never liked her or made an effort, didn't like that she stood up to him and he thinks all the other parents are chavvy and beneath him.

So while I understand him not being happy about that situation. That's not the main issue.

OffToBedhampton · 17/03/2019 19:43

It's not a red flag in terms of DASH (police DA) form butvit absolutely is a red flag in terms of soft knowledge on attitude.

OffToBedhampton · 17/03/2019 19:46

The chavvy comment.

Gnnn me and Montana might be agreeing again. We have such different perspectives!! 😂

AuntMarch · 17/03/2019 19:48

imagine this

My daughter and my friends son fell out at school. I thought my friend and I were close, I am hurt that she couldn't call me about it, instead her husband who I dont know well and dont really get on with confronted me at school. I didn't know the details, my daughter spoke to her first. I'm upset and quite angry, her DH made my daughter cry!!

alessandrae83 · 17/03/2019 19:48

The thing with the friend is that I always stuck around because 1. She's had a hard life and has issues because of it and I felt for her and could relate and 2. When things were good they were good, she was there for me, we had a laugh and she did things that would suggest she cared, e.g. go out of her way to buy me breakfast, buy me chocolate when I was ill with chronic pain, offered to help me with vet bills when I was struggling even though she wasn't well off either etc but the bad was that she seemed to have time for others but only me if she needed me, she forgot plans on rare occasions we arranged to go out, she wasn't pleased for me when I was getting married and it wasn't because of DH, she said it was because she wasn't invited as it was parents only and she made a big song and dance about it and called me stupid. She was passive aggressive. If anyone complimented me she would say something negative about me and pass it off as a joke. She believed her compulsive liar ex over me when he came onto me even though I could prove my innocence and she would often flirt with me and even sent me very dirty messages once and never explained what it was about, I didn't know where I stood so I lost it over the school thing and just ignored her. I always doubt myself because I'm socially awkward and anxious. Looking at this thread I'm wondering if my ex friend and DH are both similar in the way they behave towards me. I don't know.

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Frenchmontana · 17/03/2019 19:55

Lots of women would believe their partner for lots of reasons.

You are now ignoring her because you believe you husband had a quiet word with her and she blew it out of proportion. So you are doing the same.

The other stuff doesnt sound great. She might be a poor friend. I bet her objection to the wedding was down to, in part, that your husband never liked her and didn't make an effort. And she didn't like how he was treating you.

She doesnt sound, on the whole a great friend. He doesnt sound like a good husband.

But you jumped to her his side and assumed, he told you the truth. Despite having being victim to gas lighting.

Perhaps they are both controlling people who are fighting over you like children fight over a toy.

Her being a shit friend doesnt mean your husband told you the truth. Him being a poor husband doesnt mean she is.

I know others disagree. But her coming to you, wouldn't have resolved anything

jacks11 · 17/03/2019 19:59

OP

I am not saying this person is necessarily a good friend to you, I don't really know. It sounds like she doesn't always do the right thing by you, but has a good side too and has been caring towards you in the past. Only you can know whether the good outweighs the bad, and so can decide if her friendship is important to you (or important enough to try to find a way past this incident).

I am also not saying her DD's behaviour was ok and that it should not have been challenged- quite the opposite. You, or DH, should have either talked to the school about it or spoken to your friend directly.

But I really think that your DH having a "quiet word" with the child of a woman who is known to find him intimidating, and whom he despises to the point he cannot usually even bring himself to acknowledge her presence, was never going to go well. I also suspect that your DH knows she finds him intimidating, which makes his actions even more difficult to put a benign slant on, TBH (unless you are absolutely sure he does not know she finds him intimidating). I genuinely don't think this could ever have worked out as a "friendly chat" given their history and I am surprised that he would have thought that it would be.

You also only have his word that the chat went as he says it did. Being objective- he may have relayed the "chat" he had with your friend and her DD to you exactly as it happened and you ex-friend has over-reacted (because she has a tendency to do this, or perhaps because of the difficult relationship between her and your DH, or perhaps both). It is also possible that he relayed it accurately from his point of view, but that he is not aware that he can come across as intimidating/stand offish and so he didn't realise he had made your friend feel intimidated or upset (for example, when he says she agreed with him as a demonstration that all went well that may not be reliable- sometimes people do this when they are upset/frightened, just to try and get things over and done with). Alternatively, your DH doesn't like this woman, is upset that her DD has been unkind to your DS and also lied to you about it and so chooses to "have a quiet chat" with her DD in the full knowledge that this woman finds him intimidating and uses that to his advantage. Or perhaps he intends to have a quiet word, but given the animosity towards her it becomes a little more forceful or angry than he intended/realised. I have no idea which of those scenario's is the case- you know them well, so perhaps you are best placed to know

Look, I imagine anyone challenging a child and basically telling them off would result in the child crying, so the fact the child cried is a bit of a red herring. That said I personally wouldn't approach a child in this manner and tell them off because it doesn't seem a sensible approach (what if your DS hasn't quite told you the whole truth, for instance. I'm not saying he has in this instance but as a general point). I'd speak to the parents or the school, as I said.

I also think that if your ex-friend was genuinely was feeling intimidated or upset about what happened, why should she not speak to the school about it? Why does she need to speak to you about your DH's behaviour towards her first- what could you say that would make that ok? Do you think that you saying she was upset about the incident change his behaviour? Or is it that you actually think she complained to the school to be malicious because she doesn't like your husband?

Overall, I do think your DH was unwise to tackle this directly. I also think you need to try and get a wider group of friends (and this may mean getting some help with your social anxiety, if you think that is what is holding you back). I think it sounds like your friendship with this woman has run it course, and there's probably been errors on all sides TBH.

BUT I'd also say your DH does sound like he doesn't; always treat your well and can be a bit of a bully. Do you think that's a fair assessment? I think your DH also needs to work on how he comes across to others if it really is the case that other parents, who you'd like to be friendly with, keep their distance from you when your DH is around. For quite a few people to do that- to the extent that it's not really that they just say a quick hello and move on, but that they barely acknowledge you or act like they don't know who you are (especially if they usually say hello/have a chat), then my conclusion would be that he makes others really very uncomfortable. That's something of a concern to me and I think you do need to address that with your DH. Is he aware of how he comes across? If so, does he care?

dragonsfire · 17/03/2019 20:00

Don’t doubt yourself over friend from what said your correct to back off.

With the DH it doesn’t sound great - I would suggest contacting relate and have some counselling, it’s free and can go separately to begin with.

Leave the ex friend out of your thinking what is it about DH that concerns you? Do you find him aggressive and intimidating?

What happened to your Male friend? You said you don’t have much support but mentioned him- my male friend is my best way to get a mans point of view he will clearly tell me if I am being a dick or my DH being unreasonable! Can you reach out to get a perspective from someone who knows you and doesn’t have an agenda?

alessandrae83 · 17/03/2019 20:05

@Jacks11 I think that's a very fair assessment and in answer, he doesn't care. He says he's glad they don't approach when he's there and laughs about it.

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alessandrae83 · 17/03/2019 20:06

@dragonsfire my male friend was going through some issues and became distant. I text him a while back to see how he was and he didn't respond.

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Frenchmontana · 17/03/2019 20:11

my male friend was going through some issues and became distant. I text him a while back to see how he was and he didn't respond.

He totally ghosted you for no reason other than he was having a some problems?

alessandrae83 · 17/03/2019 20:12

He suffers with anxiety also and said he was struggling. I tried to keep in touch but it fizzled out

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