Netflix Madeleine McCann

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AIBU to think that any coverage of her disappearance is a good thing. I watched two episodes of the Netflix programme and think that if it were to bring her back into the spotlight, then surely it’s worthwhile? I’m on my own in that opinion here in our house.

Bearing in mind that the restaurant entry is a translation and may more be in Portuguese they don't dine with the children.
As I speak Portuguese, I was curious to read the message in Portuguese, to see if it was written in that way or if something was misunderstood in translation. There was no note or message on the booking, about children of otherwise in the police files. Either it was removed or it didn't exist. You can see the original restuarant booking sheets here. www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/TAPAS_BOOKING.htm

Ohdeargod my post contained some observations which disappeared at some point between hitting Post and appearing online... 🤔

Linoleum- so much that doesn’t add up

OP you can't mention MM on mumsnet. Ever.

Of course you can, don't talk empty.

What you can't do is publicly accuse grieving parents of murdering their child citing 'something, something Kate McCann hasn't cried enough for my liking something something something' as evidence on a public forum because

a) there's legal implications
b) there's not being a massive callous twat implications.

You can mention MM on MN. But there is a total lack of consistency in what gets deleted. I’ve seen posts deleted where there are no accusations whatsoever: people have just mentioned known facts, or mentioned possible theories, without any judgement or accusation at all.

And yet other posts which are pretty distasteful still stand.

Quite bizarre really. Guess it depends who’s on duty today....

I nc for this. One of DD's eyes looked similar to MM's when she was younger but it has nearly disappeared now.

She's 14 and it was nearly gone by the time she was 7 or 8 and now is practically 100% gone.

It looked like a coloboma but wasn't. I've often wondered if MM's disappeared as she got older if she is still alive.

Squishee Just wanted to confirm, we are post-moderated so nothing from your post would have been deleted between you typing it and it appearing on the thread.

We have deleted some entire posts here - and one of yours was among those - but we don't have any way of editing posts before they appear online, and it's quite rare that we edit them at all, certainly not without talking to the poster concerned. If posts break guidelines we tend to delete them wholesale.

And just a reminder to everyone while we're here that while we don't mind hosting a discussion about the documentary, we will obviously have to delete any posts that are pure speculation or just not in the spirit of the site. If there are too many deletions, we will ultimately have to delete the entire thread so please do think carefully before posting.

Thanks!

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They showed images of some of the vile comments made by trolls online. I really wish they hadn’t blurred out the profile pics and names of those people.

I think the Netflix program was very clever. It is clearly intended as a means of presenting the parents case.

A lot of the really important questions are completely brushed over or left out.

The McCann's had unprecedented, high-level support from the outset. I don't believe they deliberately harmed their daughter, but I don't believe they have been entirely truthful about the night in question, either. Especially re the timing of the supposed checks, the open shutters, the chaos in the 'crime scene'.

I doubt the truth will ever come out.

I agree the Netflix series has airbrushed all the concerns the public had at the beginning. I don’t see how the Portuguese Police are being vilified when they were dealing with people who basically refused to be interviewed or assist them.

Prettypossums- perhaps things have progressed in a way because it does seem more acceptable now to present your view (which I believe is spot on.) I remember in the early days posts would get deleted just for daring to suggest that there might possibly be any inconsistencies. Unless you blindly toed the PR line, you were damned! So it’s good that people are at least allowed to question it (which is categorically not the same as making accusations.)

I've always erred towards believing in the McCann's innocence and the documentary solidified my belief that they are guilty only of leaving their child alone on holiday while they ate, something which many, many parents before them have done.

A lot of the theories just don't seem plausible to me.

The accidental overdose - Kate is a GP, Gerry is a surgeon. They're unlikely to not know the safe dose of calpol for children.
Hiding the body and then disposing of it in the hire car - under the glare of the international press? Really?

Added to the fact that Kate and Gerry were the ones who initially alerted the press and have continued to push for international coverage. If you've something to hide you don't invite the world's media into your life and you don't keep pushing for more and more Police resources to investigate your alleged crime.

And the idea there is some massive conspiracy involving the police, the media and the government all pooling together to protect the McCanns is just ludicrous.

The documentary showed the investigation was flawed from the start and the lead detective was, at best, a narcissistic pillock only interested in securing a conviction at any cost to save his failing career.

I think people are missing something quite obvious and it's because of 'safe world psychology' i.e people feel the need to blame the parents because they can't bear to believe that this could happen to a normal, happy family.
Whilst the distance from the Tapas bar was not a risk many would take, can you all honestly say you've had eyes on your child every second of every day? Your children are more at risk statistically when you are driving them down the motorway every week.
Anyway I'd have thought with the Jimmy Saville and Michael Jackson cases people would have learnt how organised and prolific paedophillia is. Children from my own family have been groomed by a paedophile and he waited until they were vulnerable and the mother was distracted.
Paedophiles are utterly ruthless in their predatory nature. Also looking at the JS and MJ case there is usually collusion and corruption.
So my point about missing the obvious is this - could the police be involved? The MarkWarner resort?
It might seem far fetched but it's not really is it? Jimmy Saville had colluders from high up positions in society. He was given a knighthood for fuck sake.
My bet is that there was a paedophile ring operating in that area and it had connections to police or the resort so that a little girl could seamlessly be targeted, watched, snatched and hidden.
That is the conspiracy theory in my mind.
All these theories about the parents is just a way to ease minds because we can't bear to think these paedophile networks operate anywhere and all it takes is bad luck.
Look at the Dunblane massacre. He was a suspected paedophile and there is speculation he had help and cover up from society.

There are a fair amount of inconsistencies in their witness statements and Kate's book . I have never thought they were involved but there are questions to be answered about their accounts of events that night for sure.

The accidental overdose - Kate is a GP, Gerry is a surgeon. They're unlikely to not know the safe dose of calpol for children.

Calpol?

They had access to drugs a lot more sedentary than that.

I used to work in an environment where we sedated children for MRI scans (suitable for the under 5’s) and they would be completely out of it and sleep for hours and hours and hours if left.

Even with the correct doses it is possible for them to go into respiratory distress which I witnessed a few times. It’s very easy for them to drop their oxygen levels as a result of being sedated.

I’m not saying that’s what happened obviously, but it’s a theory I have heard and the one I had initially bought in to.

Frequency- yes, some of the more outlandish theories are ludicrous. However, I think those ones distract attention from the far more plausible possibility that no, the parents didn’t directly harm their child, no, the idea of hiding and disposing of a body is pretty far fetched BUT it may very well be true that the time lines, frequency of checks etc are distorted. There was very clearly an agenda from the get go of damage limitation to reputations (remember all this group were professional high achieving people.) and the case is unprecedented in the coverage and involvement from very High profile people. There really is a lot which doesn’t add up. Which is not to say at all that the parents harmed their child. But there has been a lack of transparency about it from the start

I just don't get this incessant focus on insignificant details like sharing toothbrushes and when the parents slept etc
It's pointless
I'd be looking at the much bigger and more likely picture

With regard to Calpol dosage I was told by my GP that doses given to children in hospital are much higher than on the packaging.

I only found out from the docu that the twins slept through literally everything that night, even with all the noise, people coming in and out, moving rooms etc. Also that Kate kept checking them to make sure they were still breathing.

Strange stuff for sure.

The thing is as well, once there is lack of transparency, it just grows and grows.

Something terrible obviously happened- that much we know. And if there is an agenda to put some particularly slant on it (and equally a blurring of other aspects, eg how frequently the children were being checked) then it just builds from there. We’re never going to know the details.

the docuumentary isnt factual thought if theyve lied about about timings etc-noone can take it as gospel when these things dont add up

I don’t understand the overdose theory. If they had done this on the night in question how could they have risked one or more of the other friends looking in on the children?
Matt Oldfield checked on them at 9.30 ish I believe, but didn’t go in the room, Kate checked at 10pm and Madeleine was gone.

What do people think she did with Madeleine in that short space of time?

I think the M's come across as incredibly 'odd' but I don't think they done it. Simply doesn't seem possible by any stretch of the imagination, and that's all logistically.

Can anyone answer why she washed Maddie's teddy? It would've had her scent on yet she chose to wash it