Netflix Madeleine McCann

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AIBU to think that any coverage of her disappearance is a good thing. I watched two episodes of the Netflix programme and think that if it were to bring her back into the spotlight, then surely it’s worthwhile? I’m on my own in that opinion here in our house.

cheesey I agree but that wasn't my point. My point was that if the case had closure at the time, I truly believe that by now, in 2019, people wouldn't still be going on about them leaving her. It would be unsaid and people would just have utmost sympathy. As it happens there is no perpetrator as yet so that hatred still goes to the parents. It's sad.

Did you name change for these boat posts as they're all your posting history shows?

Yes I did name change because it's a story a lot of my friends know and I don't want to out myself.

I've only posted it on a few threads because so many posters seem to be convinced that the fact her parents left her is evidence of guilt. I know most posters on here claim never to have done it, but among the people I know & the sort of holidays we went on, it honestly was extremely normal.

Nobody has forgot that. But why vilify then forever? They made a mistake that cost them their daughter.

I tend to think of it as their mistake has cost their daughter her life. A young girl has most likely been killed because the people who were supposed to protect her and keep her from harm, didn’t.

Yes they lost their daughter but it was a result of their actions.

A child has lost her life because of the neglectful actions of others, her parents whose primary concern should always have been their child’s safety.

I do sympathise that the parents have lost their child in this way, nobody should have to face that, but I will always judge them for what they did because it would not have happened if they hadn’t left their children alone in the circumstances they did.

However, they know this themselves and they will have to live with that guilt forever which will be horrendous for them, but we all have to live with the consequences of the bad decisions we make and so that’s what they have to do.

I'm not defending it, I'm just saying that it isn't evidence that her parents had anything to do with her disappearance.

@Jellyonawonkyplate

I think it’s more complex than people just blaming them for leaving the children.

I can’t think of any other missing child case where the parents have been absolutely adamant that one theory is correct, and refuse to countenance any other explanation.

The mccanns have said again and again that MM was abducted from her bed.
That may have happened. It’s also possible she wandered out of the apartment and was abducted from outside. It’s also possible she wandered out and an accident occurred and her body was disposed of. (After all, that’s the conclusion that’s been reached re: Ben needham after almost 3 decades of not knowing.)

Maybe the belief that someone has entered an apartment and taken a sound asleep child from their bed enables one to feel ‘less culpable’ than the belief that actually they might have woken up, maybe got upset and wandered off and then something happened.

It does seem to me that for a bright, physically capable almost 4 year old, it’s not beyond the bounds of possibility that she got up.

I feel this insistence to try to make us all buy into one particular theory is what makes many people feel uneasy.

These norms change massively over time too. In the 80s, it was totally normal to leave babies in their prams outside shops - now people would literally call social services. Ditto leaving kids in the car outside a pub.

SleepingSloth afraid my pressreader link didn't work but it says Martin Smith had to contact the BBC to complain after it aired as it said he backtracked over the sighting. The BBC then edited the iplayer version, after the initial airing of the documentary.

I don't see how the documentary claims hold up anyway, the timings of people coming and going, with wine having been consumed, are not likely to be precise enough to rule out anything.

I don’t agree with their decision to leave them at all. I never have. However I can and do sympathise with them for what that one decision has cost them.

I can’t imagine how they must feel knowing that they caused their daughters disappearance. They made a dreadful mistake in their judgement and imo shouldn’t be continuously vilified by “perfect Peters”.

These norms change massively over time too. In the 80s, it was totally normal to leave babies in their prams outside shops - now people would literally call social services. Ditto leaving kids in the car outside a pub

I agree. When I was a child in the 70’s I was left alone in the house while my parents went to the neighbours for a drink quite frequently. They hardly came back to see if we were ok too!

kitty thanks

I asked genuine question as to why he was thought to be and I always miss these clues it was genuine question thanks for answering it.

I'm gob smacked that charity workers were going on asking about orphans fund and one man came back into house near 3 year old.

Fuck sake. Well oiled lines to get in and out of Portugal, Spain....

No borders, no boarder checks... people can move from country to country freely.

@acciocat

Didn't KM say that the shutters were open when she discovered her missing? If a child couldn't do that then of course you would suspect abduction, surely?!

does anyone know why MN sensor so many things about this case?

I think many feel it's because of the lawsuits the family are quick to bring. If so it's hard to blame MN, though other sites such as Reddit seem to tolerate exactly the same kind of posts, and are still in business

What's really ironic, though, is the repetition of "no speculation please", when it's perfectly obvious that without it there'd be no MN

Jellyonawonkyplate

At the start it was said that the shutters had been jemmied open. It was later confirmed that the shutters were not forced and easily openable. Also the apartment was left unlocked so anyone could walk out or in anyway. So therefore it’s not possible to say that it’s indisputable that MM was abducted from her bed

It never has been and I have never known anyone who has done this.

I have never done it either but what I have seen on every single UK or foreign holiday I have ever been on is children from the age of 2 not properly supervised. I have seen children from age 2 to 5 wondering around, I presume their parents are nearby but certainly not always in sight as children are looking for them. Not panicked, they are not 'lost', they are just used to not knowing exactly where their parents are and their parents not knowing exactly where they are. Then from age 5 + lots of children clearly allowed to roam freely, often with siblings, cousins, other children. We have always been shocked by this. I first noticed it many years ago abroad before we had children, and it was still extremely common at Butlins the last time we went a few years ago. This wasn't a few people doing it, it was a lot of people doing it. It was happening all day and into the early hours of the morning in every part of the complex. I think many of the parents who thought this was ok, probably see this as very different to what the McCanns did. They may judge the McCanns but fail to see that what they did was no better, they think this because they didn't leave their children and go out but by taking their children out and still not having a clue where they are, it's no different. I know people in real life who have judged the McCanns but have done what I've described.

This journalist spoke to Martin Smith who says he not only didn't withdraw his statement, he still maintains he is 80% to 90% that the man carrying a child that night was Gerry McCann.

I just don't understand why on Mumsnet, we are allowed to talk about other children, but not about MM?!

It's not in question did the maccans make a mistake.

They did. But I'm sure hundreds of parents have . I'm child of 70s I was left in many a car alone whilst parents inside drinking.

I wish prior would get more angry about the fact we should be able to able to leave DC alone ( from predators) aspect not generally accidents.

Why isn't world in up roar about wonder lab or pedo rings??? like lady said..tax evasion .. people care about....

We are talking now about it aren't we??

I absolutely cannot comprehend leaving small children alone on a boat 'a few minutes away' for 'a few hours'. I've heard it all now.

Decaying, what evidence would you expect, if well oiled criminal gang took her and had her out of country in a few hours?

In and out..

It’s perfectly possible to believe that the parents didnt harm their child, and that they genuinely have no more idea what happened to her than the rest of us, but to still feel very uncomfortable with certain aspects of the case. It’s a real cop out to imply that anyone who dares question anything is tantamount to accusing the parents of murder.

But the parents themselves seem to act as if anyone who questions anything is accusing them.
I'm not surprised after what the PJ said and did. But the reason there's a silence is this exact reason.
If people aren't allowed to say anything - then nothing they say can be used in evidence.

Yes and it will all get deleted very soon!!

Does an abduction explain the blood splatter pattern on the walls and the cadaver dog results in the car boot and on the possessions?

www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/FIONA-PAYNE-ROGATORY.htm

I'm reading this someone linked to on this or another thread.

Worth a read. Actually disproves many things people are stating as fact tat KM did or said are not even truth - if you take the statements as evidence.