To think the world has a big white supremacy problem?

[GardenVariety]

Is anyone actually surprised that this has happened? It is shocking and sickening, but let’s face it, it has been so acceptable for so long to vilify muslims, to abuse muslims, to attack muslims - politicians have made careers out of this. Is it any wonder that yet another white supremacist has murdered muslims and has received praise for doing so by keyboard warriors on various platforms.

I (and most muslims in the West) have been dealing with the aftermath of 9/11 by being held responsible for every terrorist atrocity. Dealing with knee-jerk reactions and responses became the norm for me since then. Every terror attack, grooming ring, extremist preacher became my responsibility to explain, condemn and apologise for. I was asked why muslims don’t put double-page ads in the paper to apologise and condemn. I was told that I shouldn’t be surprised at the hostility towards muslims because the few give everyone a bad name.

So here I am, wondering if those people (all white) who were quick to vilify my religion and me and demanded an apology and explanation for the latest newspaper headline will now explain today’s headlines to me. Will they explain why white people do this? Will they give me a full breakdown of his manifesto, explain each name listed on the white terrorist’s guns, explain the choice of music on the video, explain why he filmed it, explain why he had so much support (white terrorist supported by other whites, therefore all whites must be terrorists) and take out ads in national papers apologising for being white. After all it was a white person who did this and just like all muslims were held accountable, will all whites be held accountable too?

Personally I think the world has a f*k-wit problem, fuelled by lots of nutters on you tube and Facebook who have free reign to talk utter bollocks rallying the thick idiots willing to believe their poisonous hateful nonesene. The ability for people to now find like minded f*k-wits seems to legitimatise for them their stupidity and intolerance. I’m sorry OP that you’ve had to deal with such dick heads. I’d probably reply with “oh yes I was just talking to the times about that double page apology, unfortunately they can’t run it for a few weeks because their advertising space is being taken up by racists apologising for being so thick, I really appreciate that you’re doing that for us”. Hugs to anyone who has to deal with those kind of dick heads.

The rise and rise of the racist far right has been driven by islamophobia. This is a fact.

It's one piece of the puzzle that is used as a rallying cry, sure, but so are many many other things and it would be a gross oversimplification to take just one as the driver. As a Mestizo American seeing other Latinos kids like I was behind those fences, I can think of several other things, racial and otherwise, that are part of the rise. The works on accelerationism and other ideological frameworks that fuel so many extremists go better into this than I can.

I've heard from more than a few Muslim women about the colourism and racist issues within the Muslim community, how hard many of the women found to challenge it or sexism because those were treated as an out there problem, that they were creating division, that it wasn't a community problem if people were 'good', we have to stand together and so on. I've heard similar in a lot of Christian communities and many others as well.

I think it is absolutely incumbent on societies which produce individuals who do such monstrous things to examine the factors in their society and culture which contributed to them and not just dismiss them as personal issues.

Absolutely. It's so easy to jump to ideologies to combat ideologies, but reality is complicated and messy, too much for any ideological construct to answer as by nature they oversimplify problems and solutions. A lot of deep digging into is needed.

I think you sound more and more unhinged.

And word of advice, 'Moslems' is the spelling most popular among far-right/racist groups nowadays.

I think it’s true that extreme Islamist attitudes are more mainstream in some Islamic societies than far right attitudes are in most if not all western societies. Look at the Asia bibi case in Pakistan. Far right extremism remains at the margins except perhaps in the US where sadly it appears to be gaining a degree of credibility in part thanks to the orange dickhead.

Not sure what was wrong with my post there.

Anyway, there is overt racism in mainstream politics in many parts of the world.

Possibly there are places in Eastern Europe/Russia where it is politically acceptable on a national level to outright reject Islam/Muslims. But that's not the case in Western Europe

Evening folks. We've made a few deletions here so we just wanted to pop in to say that perhaps, in the aftermath of a hideous attack like this, we all need to choose our words carefully to ensure we aren't perpetuating myths about minority groups or anything like that.

We think it's a bit soon to be digging over the social media and beliefs of victims of a terrorist attack (if indeed there is ever a good time for that), so we're going to delete posts like that.

We can also see there's been some talk about the spelling of the word 'Muslim'. As far as we're aware, 'Muslim' is generally accepted as the correct and accepted spelling and the alternative is at best outdated and at worst pretty offensive. So, again, let's make sure this thread isn't going to cause anyone offence or upset, now of all times.

Thanks for your help with this. And, of course, to anyone who has been personally affected by the attack in Christchurch.

I disagree, white supremacy is not on the fringes anymore. Social media has ensured that aspects of it has trickled into the psyche of the average ignorant white person. I highlight ignorant because I am not calling every white person a racist.

People think it acceptable to vote for UKIP - a party that closely aligns itself with EDL and Tommy Robinson. They all have their roots in white supremacy. The level of Islamophobia in this country and the new wave of muslim muders is a direct result of the far right white supremacist efforts to whip up frenzy. Check out your facebook oage, your friend’s your family’s your neighbour’s, there is bound to be some derogatory remark about muslims, with plenty of likes. Yet, people still think it is on the fringes.

The fact that there is such a term existing as 'Islamist' terrorism proves you are right , OP.

what term would you use, inymfeelings?

Personally I think the world has a fk-wit problem, fuelled by lots of nutters on you tube and Facebook who have free reign to talk utter bollocks rallying the thick idiots willing to believe their poisonous hateful nonesene.

Yes... Is there no way for intelligence to monitor such people ?! It seems absurd the amount of really scary comments I see on YouTube

No other form of terrorism gets such a definitive label denoting the race/ apprentice religion of the terrorist involved . The very word 'islam' in Arabic literally means 'peace'. 'Peace terrorism' doesn't make sense.

Autocorrect . Apparent religion , rather than apprentice !

Plenty of terrorists are killing people in the name of their Islamic beliefs, even citing verses from the Koran to justify their actions.

@GardenVariety no I think you’re right OP. However I think all prejudices and bigotry are more common than we’d like to think, it’s a lot more in the mainstream where subtle racism (from all sides) are seen as justifiable and understandable. The amount of time I see the phrases ‘white devils’ or ‘wipipo’ on social media is shocking, similarly the amount of times I see the word ‘foreigner’ used to demean and dehumanise is shocking. As extremism in politics from the left increases, so does the right & visa versa. I think it’s because both of these groups blame the innocent masses for the actions of a few. This can make individuals feel very much attacked & give an ‘us vs them’ narrative.

PeeGreen, please cite your reference for that extensive list that you have provided above.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents_in_March_2019

I'm worried.

There seems to be a polarisation of towards more and more extreme views.

With the internet and global news exposing us to more and more atrocities carried out by political and religious extremists, it's brought to us via our phones, tablets, laptops and televisions.

Not just official government news channels, but Facebook, Instagram, Youtube, WhatsApp and other social media.

Anyone with any kind of SM account, knows someone daft enough to share some of this content.

It's all over the place. Almost literally.

It's easy to take it personally, as we are immersed in it.

It seems to be everywhere.

Reports, opinions, petitions, 'fake news' masquerading as insider knowledge, expert opinion and fake extremist declarations.

It's becoming more acceptable to voice opinions which, even a couple of years ago, were considered unacceptable.

Reacting against 'political correctness', 'Remoaners', 'Brexiteers', 'LGBT', Atheism or the apparent colonisation of an area by other ethnicities or religions.

It feels local. It feels like we're under attack and there are increasing numbers of people out there who believe all this, who feel the need to do something about it and who can easily find a website, a commentator or a forum reinforcing their views, grooming them towards ever more extreme positions and actions.

We don't necessarily have a problem with one type of extremist, it's every type of extremist.

It's easy to feel alienated, by language barriers, by religious divides and by culture.

It's also easy to share one's feelings online.

We are helping to create this background where extremism of any and all sorts can flourish.

However the sooner there is no religion on the planet the better.

Extremely tasteless post in light of the fact that the victims were massacred as they were practicing their religion Xenia.

Most of them do not treat women equally and plenty are against homosexuality and propogate views plenty of people are not happy with.
Atheists also are sexist, homophobic and propogate views that plenty of people are not happy with. For example: the sooner there is no religion on the planet, the better.

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/mar/17/australians-are-asking-how-did-we-get-here-well-islamophobia-is-practically-enshrined-as-public-policy?utm_term=RWRpdG9yaWFsX0F1c3RyYWxpYW5Qb2xpdGljcy0xOTAzMTc%3D&utm_source=esp&utm_medium=Email&utm_campaign=AustralianPolitics&CMP=aupolitics_email

A good read on how racism is as good as a public policy in Aus
Essentially how this pos views are given a green light

But no no, there no white supremacy issue at all......

Tinkerbell456, has the amount of your posts that have been deleted on this thread given you any food for thought regarding your unconscious racism/Islamophobia?

GreenPea,most of those attacks have happened in Afghanistan, Iraq and Syria which we know are not a bastion of peace and we know how majority of the issues started. Do not forget that most of those 100 terror groups inflicted their terror attacks on muslims.

It is interesting that you try to minimise the white supremacist’s terrorism by putting him in the same category as some “bloke in surrey”. Out of all th terror attacks that you painstakingly put together, your white supremacist (who you have tried to put in the teeny tiny category) inflicted the most damage in terms of numbes. He killed the most people.

You have constantly tried to pitch the problem to be Islam and not white supremacy by declaring somewhere upthread how some far right bigots have no issue with blacks, just muslims

You brought out some Jakarta facebook page highlighting the ideology of the muslim who was murdered for being muslim because some white guy didn’t like him. I bet you if someone took a look at your facebook page, it would be full of islamophobic hysteria.

You painstakingly listed a load of stuff that whips up anti muslim hysteria, would you care to list the bile from the racist white murderer’s facebook page or the bloke in surrey perhaps? Do vile views on muslims not matter as much? does that just not fit your agenda of trying to pitch islam to be the root of the problem.

This is the double standard that I am talking about.