To think teachers shouldn't be drinking on trips?

[Newyeardontcare]

Dc just back from trip overseas. Apparently as soon as they were in their rooms the teachers went to the hotel bar. (The kids snuck down to check on them so they could all go into each other's rooms).Were also drinking wine and cocktails at dinner (before walking kids around an overseas city for an hour to their hotel at 11pm)

Is this normal? In charge of 13yr olds?

The thing that jumped out of the Op from me was that the children were sneaking out of their rooms. That's what I also would have focussed on if my own dc had come home with that story. It's not just about discipline, it's far more of a safety issue than a teacher enjoying a glass of wine.
I've gone on several residential trips and I'd have been furious if I'd learned the dcs had done this. This actually happened on my ds2's Spanish trip and happily, those involved were excluded for two days.

@PerfumeandOranges most of the teachers on this thread have said they have a couple of glasses of wine when not on rota. So not drunk. We are certainly not necking shots and running round waking the kids up with drunken antics. I really hope that I don't ever have to teach a child with a parent like you.

Not dealing with parents is the best thing about mat leave.

Something about trips particularly brings out the crazies. I've told this story on here before but my peak 'what the actual fuck' was a trip I organised in a previous school. A few days before we were due to go an accompanying TA had to pull out as she had an interview. School wouldn't give me a replacement. My husband stepped in. He was self employed so we lost money for the time he was on the trip. We obviously followed all protocol.
On my return I had a phone call from an absolutely enraged parent who had 'reported me to the DoE" for giving my husband a free trip and I needed to explain what I thought I was playing at.

Some parents are disgraceful. Some teachers are shit and get drunk on trips. In ten years of teaching I've only ever encountered one of those 2 groups though.

Something about trips particularly brings out the crazies

Doesn’t it just?! I’m organising a weekend cub camp, and have a parent who has said her DD will not share a tent with the other 2 girls as she (the parent) doesn’t like them, won’t allow her DD to share with the boys, won’t allow her DD to sleep in a tent in her own (to be fair, I wouldn’t allow this either).

So I’m not sure what it is she wants us to do! She wants her child to go in camp, but isn’t happy with any of the sleeping arrangements we can offer. The child herself isn’t bothered where she sleeps! Flipping parents! Most are very reasonable but there’s always one!

I wouldnt be happy about it.I understand teachers are doing it to benefit the children...but for me...i dont know the teachers background in their personal life...my mum for instance is an alcoholic...(still works a full time job in education for autistic people) drinks every night...Not on the job...But even one drink and she can change.Be nasty.Tearful ect..hence i dont let her have my children when she drinks (so ever really) Maybe im just scorned by that...But you hear of worse happening in the world via adults in charge of children...abuse...You name it...And i wouldnt rest at the thought of my child away from me and adults i dont know personally drinking even one or 2...i also wouldnt drink in charge of anyone elses child...Nor would i leave my children at 23 in a foreign country in a hotel room whilst i went down to the bar...over protective maybe...But ive seen enough negatives relating to alcohol to support my view.Better safe than sorry...

At 13 not 23

myboys you do realise that teachers do leave the kids in their rooms right? And also we assume that they arent alcoholic?!
Some of you best never let your kids on trips. It's for the best.

Well said @Mississippilessly

Are we expected to stay in the hotel rooms with them ? All 40 of them ??!

You should set up a camp bed in the corridor, one for each floor. Have you no dedication to your job!

Def cant see any questions being raised by a student coming home and saying 'miss spent the night in our room, just in case'

I seriously wonder about people. I really do.

I have been known to sit in corridors until the early hours making sure there's no sneaking between rooms.

So.... group think is when a lot of people agree with each other? By that definition, isn’t it just the same as saying “the majority disagree with me so I will accuse them of not having reached this conclusion independently, as I can’t be wrong”?

Oh yeah. That makes for a long night

dreichuplands
You should set up a camp bed in the corridor, one for each floor. Have you no dedication to your job!

You and people like you are the type that stopped myself and others taking trips.

The problem is that I have no idea whether your are being goady, a troll or actually believe the drivel that you post.

I'm joking! I have already put up a couple of posts on this thread defending teachers. Feel free to read the thread.

Actually, all this reminds me of the time when my old school took a group of sixth formers to Paris.

Two of the students snuck out in the night, went clubbing, got horribly lost and had to call their parents in the middle of the night for help.

Luckily, parents saw the funny side bollocked the kids and not the staff. May not have happened had the staff been in the bar (and seem them go out!)

I dont expect anything from teachers...My children are my responsibility & i apreciate anything that other adults do to better their lives...im not an expectant mum...with a precious view on her child & i know teachers get a hard time...its sad that there are people that are teachers or people who are in a role of care that do not do it appropriately which makes us pearl clutching parents go over the top...but its because we love our children & unfortunately the name teacher doesnt make you a good person...Its constantly on the news that teachers or football coaches or even carers for the elderly abuse their positions and abuse children...I worry about overnight residentials as it is....and my son is due a camping trip this week and i do worry...alcohol added into that and i would worry more...I trust the teachers going and have known them over 10 years...(I know this isnt a be all end all) plenty of people hide in disguise...You cant assume someone isnt an alcoholic...no...you cant assume anything...and definetley not when it comes to your children.Its more a reflection on what bad people in this world do to children to worry parents & therefore put teachers under unfair scrutiny (I feel bad that they should be scrutinised & not have a drink due to parents or their kids) but i cant be sorry for being overcareful with my childs safety.

dreichuplands

If you read the thread you will see why its hard to tell whether its a joke or not.

@My3boys9910 I glad you realise your overprotective and have issues with alcohol. You need to address this as it will have an adverse affect on your parenting

@My3boys9910 have you had assurance that no alcohol at all will be consumed during the camp?

@Youknowmedont you...as you said i have recognised my issues that underline my opinion...so it has clearly been addressed and thought about hasnt it...But dont be blind to the other matters ive raised..its easy to have an opinion on the "overprotective mother with issues around alcohol" than to see that there are paedophiles in schools...Alcoholics in schools...Abusers of all kinds...in all kinds of proffession...So to be careful and over protective of your child is more sensible than to blow caution to the wind with your child miles away from home and say "Ahh let the teachers chill.My kids are fuckers their going to need it" Part of being a teacher and working with kids is also working with parents...and if a parent had a concern...be it an over the top one...The school as they say are there to listen help and work with familys...The attitude on here seems to be that the teachers are stressed by the kids and dont want to be on these trips...so give the poor buggers a drink for their terrible time...Theres always 2 ends of the scale.Opinion isnt right or wrong and ive expressed mine fairly.To try and shame me as a mum is weak.This isnt what mumsnet is about.Even if i dont agree i will try and see someone elses view.Ive said how i feel...and in the same breath shown understanding and apreciation for the good teachers who are judged unfairly.So dont point out the flaws in me from reading my post to try and look right in the argument.As i said theres no right or wrong.You just look nasty

Yes theres a no alcohol policy with the school...Although as i said...i trust the teachers and they are lovely and reassuring of my worrys...and i will be buying them all a box of chocolates from my son.

you cant assume someone isnt an alcoholic

Are you serious? Because if you are you you really need to seek some help.

Being overprotective isnt a sign that you love your kids more.

My3boys9910

I hate to add to your anxiety but the truth is that the pupils are more likely to be the ones that bring in alcohol and get hammered.